View Poll Results: Is there a moral obligation to repay money you borrow?

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  • If you borrow money, you are morally obligated to repay it.

    110 34.48%
  • I feel no moral obligation to repay loans I've taken out

    209 65.52%
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Maybe they were run by lefties. Unless, of course, you figure lefties aren't capable of running a business, (a very unflattering assumption) you'd have to assume that it's quite possible.

    But which political lean is the least moral wasn't really the point, was it? That was just an interesting revelation as a reulst of this discussion. The point here is...... Do YOU feel that it is immoral to decide to renege and welsh on your debts and contracts if it suits you? "Well, THEY did it, too." isn't an answer or a justification.
    I mentioned corps- you can only pay back what you can. The corps are not shy about collecting on assets when needed. Knife cuts both ways.
    Reason we have various laws for that.
    I mentioned the workers and pensioners often get the short end of the stick when a corp goes belly up.
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I mentioned corps- you can only pay back what you can. The corps are not shy about collecting on assets when needed. Knife cuts both ways.
    Reason we have various laws for that.
    I mentioned the workers and pensioners often get the short end of the stick when a corp goes belly up.
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    The fact that "corps" aggressively go after collections has no bearing at all on this discussion. We have "various laws for that" because there must be a means to try to force people to do what they don't have the character to do willingly: Make good on their promisory notes. When they don't make good on those notes and refuse to abide by their own agreements, the law allows them various means to try to collect what is owed. That doesn't mitigate the immorality of welshing on loans.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The fact that "corps" aggressively go after collections has no bearing at all on this discussion. We have "various laws for that" because there must be a means to try to force people to do what they don't have the character to do willingly: Make good on their promisory notes. When they don't make good on those notes and refuse to abide by their own agreements, the law allows them various means to try to collect what is owed. That doesn't mitigate the immorality of welshing on loans.
    You cannot get blood for a stone.
    Citizens using the same laws as corps makes them immoral?
    Perhaps revise the laws.
    Clarify morals- and where you are deriving these morals from please
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    You cannot get blood for a stone.
    Citizens using the same laws as corps makes them immoral?
    Perhaps revise the laws.
    What part of "willingly" don't you understand? I know you can't get blood from a stone and people who absolutely can't pay get a pass even if it was due to bad judgement on their part. But this isn't about whether or not you can pay. It's about whether you feel that it is a moral obligation for you to repay money you borrow. It's about whether YOU think that YOU have a moral obligation to do what you contractually agreed to do. (whether you are actually capable of doing it is a different matter completely). It sounds like you are arguing that it's OK to default on debts if it profits you to do that.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    What part of "willingly" don't you understand? I know you can't get blood from a stone and people who absolutely can't pay get a pass even if it was due to bad judgement on their part. But this isn't about whether or not you can pay. It's about whether you feel that it is a moral obligation for you to repay money you borrow. It's about whether YOU think that YOU have a moral obligation to do what you contractually agreed to do. (whether you are actually capable of doing it is a different matter completely). It sounds like you are arguing that it's OK to default on debts if it profits you to do that.
    No. I pay my debts. I have an obligation to pay them, but as mentioned circumstances can change.
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    No. I pay my debts. I have an obligation to pay them, but as mentioned circumstances can change.
    The circumstances can change and people can find themselves unable to fulfill their obligations. That, however, has no bearing on whether or not people feel that it is a moral obligation to discharge debts they incurred willingly. And about half the respondents don't feel any moral pressure to make good on their debts. It's a matter of character.
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The circumstances can change and people can find themselves unable to fulfill their obligations. That, however, has no bearing on whether or not people feel that it is a moral obligation to discharge debts they incurred willingly. And about half the respondents don't feel any moral pressure to make good on their debts.
    Not the way I was raised, not the way I am.
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Not the way I was raised, not the way I am.
    Then you would have to vote that you do feel it is a moral obligation (even if you ended up being incapable of discharging that obligation). It is one thing to bite off more than you can chew. It is another to shrug your shoulders and walk away from an obligation that you COULD discharge but won't simply because it suits you better.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Then you would have to vote that you do feel it is a moral obligation (even if you ended up being incapable of discharging that obligation). It is one thing to bite off more than you can chew. It is another to shrug your shoulders and walk away from an obligation that you COULD discharge but won't simply because it suits you better.
    Generally I avoid public polls.
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    Re: Are you morally obligated to repay a loan that you take?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Generally I avoid public polls.
    Judging by the numbers, most liberals try to avoid public polls, too. Or at least THIS public poll.

    Did you find it surprising that so few respondents that said "no, they don't feel morally obligated to repay debts" voted while logged in as registered members? I was a bit surprised but in retrospect, I guess I shouldn't be. I think most people know that it's a moral obligation to do that and it's not surprising that people would be embarrassed to be on record publicly as one who has no such moral compunction.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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