You cannot harm me
You hold no power over me
You cannot block access to anything I want
You cannot harm my children or others I care for
In other words I have no reason to fear you and nothing to gain by appeasing you and personal connections do not work well in this medium so I have no motivation in that context either. (And quite frankly what motivates me in life is personal connection or approaching actualization anyway so I hate that I even had to put it in such crude animal terms as fear or appeasement, but it is the clearest language I can muster)
So in essence I use this site to learn what motivates people so that in life I may be more successful in a number of pursuits such as deeper interpersonal relationships, my own emotional quotient, a better understanding of society, even trivial crap such as defending myself in workplace politics, and such as that. If I were to provide anything less than how I see things, then the information I receive in return would be tainted. You can be certain how I state how I feel is how I feel and that it is never personal unless who I am talking is just being an ass (and you do not seem to be an ass but an intelligent and truthful person worthy of respect). So when I appear baffled its because I am as being baffled is a useful vehicle for learning.
I am not trying to deceive you I just want to understand what motivates you. The patterns I see in your reasoning indicate a number of intuitive leaps I am unable to follow and I suspect that this is where you may think I am following as well but default to feeling I am dishonest because I do not follow them. Its a reasoning mistake a lot of people make including myself because it takes a lot of training to recognize when oneself is making that leap and most never receive that training (and to be fair, most people are not smart enough for that training, your use of language indicates that you are smart enough however). When I ask you why, I am trying to dig into that intuition to see what really motivates your morality (where my intuition may be different and thus have a different moral basis and perspective) to
1 understand what you are talking about
2 understand why its important to you
3 see if there is merit in it and thus change my own perspective.
I did not intend this to be an actual argument but an exchange we can learn fro!.
Shall we try again?
Last edited by tacomancer; 01-23-15 at 10:54 PM.
You sign a promise to repay (usually with interest). You gave your word*. You then feel no obligation to uphold your word, AND you feel no guilt whatsoever about it.
I think we've stumbled upon what's wrong with society.
*- Unforeseen dire circumstances not included.
If, when defending your support for Donald Trump, and your response is,
"But but but... HILLARY!!!", then you lost the argument before you even began.
How can anybody argue you should pay back a loan from a moral stand point???
I don't consider it moral or immoral, but one should repay debt for the sake of their financial wellbeing and credit score. If your house goes into foreclosure, I don't consider you immoral. I would consider your financial stability and credit score to be unfavorable.