View Poll Results: The #1 war determining factor is:

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  • Understanding the culture and the people of the enemy

    52 57.14%
  • Wealth to fund the war

    12 13.19%
  • Military strategy

    14 15.38%
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Thread: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    1.)The whole list is flawed because of your opinion?
    2.)You know when Saigon fell correct? In 1975. You know when the Viet Cong dissolved? In 1976. You know why? The war was over and the country was united under another government. They won and became part of a united Vietnam.
    Those pesky facts huh.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    According to wiki: World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Russian military deaths: 8.7 to 13.85 million
    German military deaths: 4.3 to 5.5 million
    Japanese military deaths: 2.12 million

    Russian civilian deaths: 7 to 12 million
    German civilian deaths: 1.1 million
    Japanese civilian deaths 0.5 million

    Want to try again?
    What percentage of the population do those numbers represent? How much damage did Germany do to Russia's manpower pool versus the damage that did to Germany's manpower pool?


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    For an imperialist power seeking to successfully subdue and occupy a nation: willingness and ability to kill and destroy the enemy at genocidal levels. (It worked in Germany and Japan. We haven't killed at that level since and also have not succeeded in successfully subduing and occupying anyone except Panama and Grenada.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    During Tet, The Viet Cong was destroyed and Tet was a massive failure. The commies didn't achieve one single objective.
    They where greatly reduced, not destroyed. The communists did not achieve the objectives they set out to, but they did find a route to victory from Tet.

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    SURE THEY DID! We left the country! WE didn't have the will to win.
    Not for several years and not as a direct result of Tet. Tet was Jan/Feb 1968, last troops out of Vietnam was 1973.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What percentage of the population do those numbers represent? How much damage did Germany do to Russia's manpower pool versus the damage that did to Germany's manpower pool?


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They where greatly reduced, not destroyed. The communists did not achieve the objectives they set out to, but they did find a route to victory from Tet.



    Not for several years and not as a direct result of Tet. Tet was Jan/Feb 1968, last troops out of Vietnam was 1973.
    The communists did complete their objective: to run us out of the country. Troops were not sent in beginning in 1971 (I think). So, the halt was on and Tet was the last straw. On topic, the North Vietnamese had the will to win, and so they did.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    1.)The whole list is flawed because of your opinion?
    2.)You know when Saigon fell correct? In 1975. You know when the Viet Cong dissolved? In 1976. You know why? The war was over and the country was united under another government. They won and became part of a united Vietnam.
    Not opinion, fact.

    1) The American Revolution wasn't a guerilla war.

    2) The Mujahadeen didn't begin seeing success, until they were supplied with conventional weapons and training in conventional tactics.

    3) As I pointed out, The Viet Cong was destroyed in 1968.

    4) The Communists fighting against The Rhodesians won, but through attrition, not tactics. The free world turned its back on Rhodesia, while the commies had material flowing freely from The Soviets, Cuba and East Germany.

    Knowing all these details is very important. It damages your credibility when you make an erroneous claim that The Viet Cong was still in existence in 1976.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Moving the goalposts now? What did I say that you disagreed with?
    Nope! I'm going by what you said, when you claimed that no other country suffered more than Russia. Would you like me to post your exact words?

    You never restricted your comments to battlefield casualties, alone.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They where greatly reduced, not destroyed. The communists did not achieve the objectives they set out to, but they did find a route to victory from Tet.



    Not for several years and not as a direct result of Tet. Tet was Jan/Feb 1968, last troops out of Vietnam was 1973.
    No, they were destroyed, ceased to exist, disbanded, no more.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Scorched earth until your enemy surrenders unconditionally.

    Yes it really is that simple.

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