View Poll Results: The #1 war determining factor is:

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  • Understanding the culture and the people of the enemy

    52 57.14%
  • Wealth to fund the war

    12 13.19%
  • Military strategy

    14 15.38%
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    13 14.29%
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Thread: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The point is,
    guerilla tactics failed in Vietnam.


    Guerrilla tactics worked pretty good for the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese army.

    The North Vietnamese were prepared to do whatever they had to do to win.

    They didn't let several hundred thousand dead and wounded stop them, they were prepared to lose a lot more.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Guerrilla tactics worked pretty good for the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese army.

    The North Vietnamese were prepared to do whatever they had to do to win.

    They didn't let several hundred thousand dead and wounded stop them, they were prepared to lose a lot more.
    We... our government and military... still don't understand guerrilla tactics.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    We... our government and military... still don't understand guerrilla tactics.


    The USA fought a war that it really didn't need to fight in Vietnam.

    North Vietnam was never a threat to the USA.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Guerrilla tactics worked pretty good for the Vietcong and the North Vietnamese army.

    The North Vietnamese were prepared to do whatever they had to do to win.

    They didn't let several hundred thousand dead and wounded stop them, they were prepared to lose a lot more.
    Ueah, gierilla tactics worked so well, that they transitioned away from them after 1968.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA fought a war that it really didn't need to fight in Vietnam.

    North Vietnam was never a threat to the USA.
    It never was about North Vietnam. It was about influence in the overall region.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It never was about North Vietnam. It was about influence in the overall region.
    Right.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    The ability to cause so much pain that the opposition would rather have peace than continue. That might be a function of your strategy or it might be a function of your will or budget and equipment. The bottom line is that you break things until the other guy quits.

    Having said that, it seems that doesn't work as well when fighting the things we call "wars" today. We are no longer fighting nations, but groups of people who do not partake in what you might call a "war". They fight under different rules than we must fight under such as indiscriminate killing where we castigate ourselves for collateral damage. What sort of conflict are we talking about in the OP poll?

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    We... our government and military... still don't understand guerrilla tactics.
    What makes you say that?
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Good one. You have to know what your objective is, or you won't achieve it. I believe there are some modern examples of this principle as well. Vietnam and Iraq spring to mind.
    Yes, but I think more importantly you have to understand what your intention is about what you want to leave behind after the war.

    I think it should be clear from the start at all levels. The front line soldiers need to understand it and so does the enemy and so does the political administration back home and then maybe they will send the right team to sort out the mess of the place after the tanks have finished.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim the plumber View Post
    Yes, but I think more importantly you have to understand what your intention is about what you want to leave behind after the war.

    I think it should be clear from the start at all levels. The front line soldiers need to understand it and so does the enemy and so does the political administration back home and then maybe they will send the right team to sort out the mess of the place after the tanks have finished.
    Exactly. If you're going to take out a dictator, then you have to consider who will take over after you're gone, and just how long and how much effort it will really take to establish a peaceful nation afterward and whether you have the will to pay the price.
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