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Thread: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thats simply not true. 2 years later they mounted major successfull offenses, and even retook and reopened the Ho Chi Minh trail.
    you are confusing the NVA(VPA) with the VC

    group 559 is what you are referring to, not the Viet Cong.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see a link telling about those major offensives
    he's unaware that every offensive post Tet 68' was an NVA offensive, including Tet 69'
    he's also unaware that the VC from 68-75 had the primary task of pacification of the rural southern zones, except for the southern NVA regulars who were folded into Northern units for future offensives/counteroffensives.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    ... the author of your article doesn't know the difference between the NVA and the VC... period.

    nobody surrendered to the VC ... the VC from 68 to 75 were , at best, an adjunct to the NVA/PAVN...as a fighting force, they were destroyed in 68' ( they continued to exist, just not as an effective fighting force.)

    Saigon fell to the NVA (PAVN)... specifically, elements of the 324th, 325th, 304th, and 711th divisions.... not the VC


    "surrendered to the Vietcong"... hilarious

    Here's some more hilarity:


    April 30, 1975 - At 8:35 a.m., the last Americans, ten Marines from the embassy, depart Saigon, concluding the United States presence in Vietnam. North Vietnamese troops pour into Saigon and encounter little resistance. By 11 a.m., the red and blue Viet Cong flag flies from the presidential palace. President Minh broadcasts a message of unconditional surrender. The war is over.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The only thing your link proves, is that--like I said--it was 4 years after The Tet Offensive before the commies launched their next offensive.

    There's nothing there about, "major Viet Cong offensives", in 1970.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only thing your link proves, is that--like I said--it was 4 years after The Tet Offensive before the commies launched their next offensive.

    There's nothing there about, "major Viet Cong offensives", in 1970.
    lets not be dishonest here.
    "The Viet Cong was destroyed in 1968"
    -That statement you made is clearly wrong. Shows that the Viet Cong was very much a force around after 1968.
    -But now lets look into the offensives.
    "Viet Cong attack 110 targets throughout South Vietnam including Saigon."
    " Viet Cong begin a new offensive attacking 150 targets throughout South Vietnam."


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You mean this?



    Do those guys look like farmers in black pajamas?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    lets not be dishonest here.
    "The Viet Cong was destroyed in 1968"
    -That statement you made is clearly wrong. Shows that the Viet Cong was very much a force around after 1968.
    -But now lets look into the offensives.
    "Viet Cong attack 110 targets throughout South Vietnam including Saigon."
    " Viet Cong begin a new offensive attacking 150 targets throughout South Vietnam."
    That wasn't the VC. Those infiltrators were members of the NVA, conducting operations much like what American SF units would do.

    Now, show us those major VC offensives.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What percentage of the population do those numbers represent? How much damage did Germany do to Russia's manpower pool versus the damage that did to Germany's manpower pool?


    Hellstorm: The Rape and Mass Murder of German Women after WWII | Veterans Today
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    I probably wouldn't use it to much in the future.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Just in case you didn't know Veterans Today is a piece of crap anti-Jew, pro Russian, conspiracy theory site.

    I probably wouldn't use it to much in the future.
    A pro-Russian site does a piece on Russians raping millions of German women?

    Something doesn't quite add up there. Ya think?

    It doesn't take away from the fact that those events actually happened.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That wasn't the VC. Those infiltrators were members of the NVA, conducting operations much like what American SF units would do.

    Now, show us those major VC offensives.
    They werent? Please show me any evidence that they were not actually VC.. Show me evidence other than your claims... Do you have anything to back up the claims you are making?


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