View Poll Results: The #1 war determining factor is:

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  • Understanding the culture and the people of the enemy

    52 57.14%
  • Wealth to fund the war

    12 13.19%
  • Military strategy

    14 15.38%
  • Other

    13 14.29%
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Thread: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, you haven't. Good luck, though.
    Great talk.


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
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    Yes, making erroneous claims does damage one's credibility.
    ... the author of your article doesn't know the difference between the NVA and the VC... period.

    nobody surrendered to the VC ... the VC from 68 to 75 were , at best, an adjunct to the NVA/PAVN...as a fighting force, they were destroyed in 68' ( they continued to exist, just not as an effective fighting force.)

    Saigon fell to the NVA (PAVN)... specifically, elements of the 324th, 325th, 304th, and 711th divisions.... not the VC


    "surrendered to the Vietcong"... hilarious

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I think it's the support of the public and their willingness to persevere that's most important... at least as far as the US is concerned.
    The will to win; right?
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    1.)The whole list is flawed because of your opinion?
    2.)You know when Saigon fell correct? In 1975. You know when the Viet Cong dissolved? In 1976. You know why? The war was over and the country was united under another government. They won and became part of a united Vietnam.
    he's right, overall... the VC, as a fighting force, were pretty much destroyed during Tet...

    they continued to exist for a number years, but not as a fighting force.....they were primarily relegated to communist apparatus duties in the rural regions.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    he's right, overall... the VC, as a fighting force, were pretty much destroyed during Tet...

    they continued to exist for a number years, but not as a fighting force.....they were primarily relegated to communist apparatus duties in the rural regions.
    Thats simply not true. 2 years later they mounted major successfull offenses, and even retook and reopened the Ho Chi Minh trail.


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglestar View Post
    So discussing with a friend of mine, the argument came up:

    According to him:
    - The single most important factor in deciding the outcome of a war is understanding the people and culture of the opponent.

    According to me:
    - The single most important factor in deciding the outcome of a war is wealth to fund it.

    So, there will be occasions in history were one or the other mattered the most, but overall I still think money makes the final decision.


    My examples were Rome, England, the US. His focused on Indian kings (asia) and the soviet union.

    Tell me your thoughts and examples.
    The people and the culture are irrelevant.

    What difference does the other countries people and culture make when they are being obliterated by superior fire power?


    A short war is based primarily on firepower, training and tactics.

    A long war is based more on logistics, technological innovation and manufacturing...but good training is always a big plus. In a long war, if you cannot out build or 'out-technology' your opponent, you probably ain't gonna win.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    The will to win; right?
    It's more about the public believing that the cause is worth the sacrifice.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Thats simply not true. 2 years later they mounted major successfull offenses, and even retook and reopened the Ho Chi Minh trail.
    Let's see a link telling about those major offensives
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Let's see a link telling about those major offensives
    The History Place - Vietnam War 1969-1975


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    How many people are we willing to let the Generals and the military kill and how fast. That's what determines every wars outcome.

    The US could have won the Vietnam war in less than a year if the generals had been allowed to do even 70% of what they wanted to do. That's the case in every war.

    How many people are you willing to let the Generals kill and how fast? That is the sole thing that will determine if you win or lose.



    Simply put the cultured, intellectual West doesn't let their generals win wars anymore. They micromanage them into defeat from cushy chairs back in proverbial Rome.

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