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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You might want to learn to convey your point more clearly.
    I did actually, and your response was a link to a book review about things that happened after the war. Do you think that what happened after the war impacted the results of the war? Hint: cause comes before effect.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Very little was assymetrical warfare. Conventional tactics decided the war.

    You dont think that guerilla attacks inland that cut off British supply was important tactic?



    Read Charlie Wilson's War and you'll learn a lot. Its one of many historical work as you should read.
    I have read the book before. Nowhere in the book does he mention the training was conventional. All it states is that they trained guerilla armys. No where does it state the training was to move them away from conventional tactics. The organized mujhadeen units are in themselves guerilla armies. He calls the war itself a Guerilla War and the people they were training as Guerilla Armies/units/squads etc.


    Because they didn't happen. It took the commies 4 years to reconstitute enough strength to launch another offensive, which they lost.
    Immideatly after the offesnive they retook the country side. In the 1970's the launched an offensive that reopened the Ho Chi Minh Trial. Thats two years bud.


    I never said the Rhodesian Bush War wasn't a guerilla war. I saw simply pointed out that attention, not tactics won the war.
    What kept up the attrition? The Guerilla Warfare being used by the ZANU guerillas which made the government tired of fighting them so they settled for peace and promise of elections.


    Your knowledge of history is extremely wanting. Don't you have a fancy degree, too?
    Saying that pretty much every point you have brought up is easily proven wrong.


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Not on topic, but interesting information from that Wikipedia entry on the Viet Nam war:

    "...In December 1960, the National Liberation Front (NLF, a.k.a. the Viet Cong) was formally created with the intent of uniting all anti-GVN activists, including non-communists. According to the Pentagon Papers, the Viet Cong "placed heavy emphasis on the withdrawal of American advisors and influence, on land reform and liberalization of the GVN, on coalition government and the neutralization of Vietnam." Often the leaders of the organization were kept secret.[40]

    The reason for the continued survival of the NLF was the class relations in the countryside. The vast majority of the population lived in villages in the countryside where the key issue was land reform. The Viet Minh had reduced rents and debts; and had leased communal lands, mostly to the poorer peasants. Diem brought the landlords back to the villages. People who were farming land they held for years now had to return it to landlords and pay years of back rent. This rent collection was enforced by the South Vietnamese army. The divisions within villages reproduced those that had existed against the French: "75 percent support for the NLF, 20 percent trying to remain neutral and 5 percent firmly pro-government,"..."
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    I think it's the support of the public and their willingness to persevere that's most important... at least as far as the US is concerned.

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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You dont think that guerilla attacks inland that cut off British supply was important tactic?
    A few guerilla operations does not a guerilla war make. US troops used guerilla techniques during WW2. Does that make WW2 a guerilla war?




    I have read the book before. Nowhere in the book does he mention the training was conventional. All it states is that they trained guerilla armys. No where does it state the training was to move them away from conventional tactics. The organized mujhadeen units are in themselves guerilla armies. He calls the war itself a Guerilla War and the people they were training as Guerilla Armies/units/squads etc.
    You didn't read it.



    Immideatly after the offesnive they retook the country side. In the 1970's the launched an offensive that reopened the Ho Chi Minh Trial. Thats two years bud.
    Link, bud.



    What kept up the attrition? The Guerilla Warfare being used by the ZANU guerillas which made the government tired of fighting them so they settled for peace and promise of elections.
    Do you know what, "tactics", means?



    Saying that pretty much every point you have brought up is easily proven wrong.
    Prove me wrong, then. So far you're just posting words.
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I did actually, and your response was a link to a book review about things that happened after the war. Do you think that what happened after the war impacted the results of the war? Hint: cause comes before effect.
    Don't get dizzy from all that spinning. What's next? You were really talking about WW1?
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Don't get dizzy from all that spinning. What's next? You were really talking about WW1?
    No, I was talking about WW2, and your mistaken beliefs about it. Linking to a story about events after the war, that would be kinda not real relevant to what happened during the war would it?
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, I was talking about WW2, and your mistaken beliefs about it. Linking to a story about events after the war, that would be kinda not real relevant to what happened during the war would it?
    So, the soviets waited til after the war to rape millions of women?
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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A few guerilla operations does not a guerilla war make. US troops used guerilla techniques during WW2. Does that make WW2 a guerilla war?
    "A few"? It was a lot and cut off British supply lines so they could not advance and supply their troops inland....



    You didn't read it.
    No I have. If you have please point me to the correct page number and quote..



    Link, bud.
    http://www.thebrenthurstfoundation.o...ares-Loses.pdf



    Do you know what, "tactics", means?
    Yes. They used guerilla tactics, and were a guerillas. They fought a guerilla war aginst the government...


    Prove me wrong, then. So far you're just posting words.
    I have already.


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    Re: Single most important factor in determining the outcome of a war.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "A few"? It was a lot and cut off British supply lines so they could not advance and supply their troops inland....




    No I have. If you have please point me to the correct page number and quote..




    http://www.thebrenthurstfoundation.o...ares-Loses.pdf




    Yes. They used guerilla tactics, and were a guerillas. They fought a guerilla war aginst the government...



    I have already.
    No, you haven't. Good luck, though.
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