foadi
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So they have the right to vote???
Many US citizens aren't allowed to vote.
So they have the right to vote???
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that someone here illegally is prohibited from owning property. While you don't have to be a US citizen to own property you DO generally need to maintain some form of legal status to do so. Among other things, no bank in their right mind would give you a loan to purchase property when they have no possibility of legal recourse with you or the property.
Many US citizens aren't allowed to vote.
That's not the issue. The post is about the rights of illegal immigrants. Do they have the right to vote??
That's not the issue. The post is about the rights of illegal immigrants. Do they have the right to vote??
That's not the issue. The post is about the rights of illegal immigrants. Do they have the right to vote??
Ok. I can buy that because it's, well, Germany. After the beer, sauerkraut, sausage, and the autobahn, what have you got?
So when the BOR refers to "the people", it means "the people of the world"?
So when We The People established the Constitution, they meant everyone including illegal aliens right? Were they legal in the states too? Because the states preexisted the union.
Illegal alien, is the proper term describing people who are aliens illegally in a country. If they were to receive a Visa or go home they would cease being illegal, so the person themselves is not illegal their status in the country is what's illegal.
And when did we start assigning the status of nobility to illegal aliens? How many people are we supposed to allow in the United States? 10 million? 30 million? 1 billion? 5 billion? When we dry all our rivers and develop our national parks to house them? At some point we got to realize the carrying capacity is been reached. You know longer have an empty continent to fill
Carrying capacity is dynamic. It changes along with improvements in technology and infrastructure. The US is nowhere near carrying capacity. Would be cool if the US had 1 billion people. Imagine Seattle with 10 million people? Or LA with 50 million. Would be magnificent. Maybe one day
Carrying capacity is dynamic. It changes along with improvements in technology and infrastructure. The US is nowhere near carrying capacity. Would be cool if the US had 1 billion people. Imagine Seattle with 10 million people? Or LA with 50 million. Would be magnificent. Maybe one day
If it is not a right that all US citizens have, then how is it relevant?
Not concerned about water, with any luck this drought will get worse, which will force investment into a new generation of water infrastructure. LA can easily support 50 million people with the proper infrastructure. Kind of concerned about all the rain we've been getting this year, but fortunately none of it has been going to snowpack.LA cannot support anywhere near that many people. Even if the court ordered re-watering of the Owens river was overturned they couldn't put near enough water down the pipes . And have you been to LA recently? Where will 50 million people go?
I love wide open spaces and all that hippie crap. I think green stuff is awesmoe. Or at least I prefer it to low density suburban development. A large population doesn't require you have to tear down the forest and kill all the koala bears and chihuahuas though. The Seattle urban area is 2,616.7km2 in area. Fairly large for only 3 million people. Now look at a place like Hong Kong. 7 million people in 1,104 km2. And the amazing thing? Only a small fraction of that land is urbanized, maybe 200km2. The rest is preserved as parks and green space.It's a horrifying vision, certainly not one supported by biology and the environment.
And not shared by anyone that values open spaces with natural habitats (not grass and courts), the wildlife that currently shares such spaces, and privacy and peace and quiet.
I love wide open spaces and all that hippie crap. I think green stuff is awesmoe. Or at least I prefer it to low density suburban development. A large population doesn't require you have to tear down the forest and kill all the koala bears and chihuahuas though. The Seattle urban area is 2,616.7km2 in area. Fairly large for only 3 million people. Now look at a place like Hong Kong. 7 million people in 1,104 km2. And the amazing thing? Only a small fraction of that land is urbanized, maybe 200km2. The rest is preserved as parks and green space.
A lot of the air pollution is actually coming in from Shenzhen and Dongguan.The Hong Kong area and waterways are terribly polluted. As I tried to point out, all green space is not equal.
It means everyone under the jurisdiction of American law.
When We The People established it, there were no American citizens yet, because there was no America. And, of course, the preamble has no bearing whatsoever on the law, and I only talked about the Bill of Rights, not the constitution as a whole, which does differentiate between citizens and non-citizens. Although it does determine representation by persons, not by citizens, but I imagine that it's pretty hard to get illegal immigrants on the census. Either way, congress certainly can't pass laws prohibiting non-citizens from practicing their religions or denying them due process of law, so it's clear that some of the Bill of Rights applies, and no "originalist" nonsense can parse a word to say that any specific part doesn't.