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Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

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foadi said:
A lot of crappy countries don't allow foreigners to own property, but all the countries that top the Heritage Foundations Economic Freedom Index do.
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Take another look at that. They only allow ownership by foreigners who are from countries who are associated with them politically, as in the EU.
 
Lursa said:
By law they do, so I dont see the point of the poll.
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No they don't

At least they don't have second amendment rights. They can't legally recieve a passport, or vote in elections
 
foadi said:
Everyone has a right to own property in the US, even non-residents. The US is the worlds premier asset haven, so foreigners from all over buy property. As far as work goes, seems like you'd be violating a citizens right to free association. What gives you the right to tell business owners who they can hire, or landlords who they can rent to?
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Actually, I'm pretty sure that someone here illegally is prohibited from owning property. While you don't have to be a US citizen to own property you DO generally need to maintain some form of legal status to do so. Among other things, no bank in their right mind would give you a loan to purchase property when they have no possibility of legal recourse with you or the property.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
I would ask this, if an illegal immigrant has the same rights as a legal resident, should they be able to walk into a gun shop, fill out the 4473 truthfully stating they're unlawful alien on the form and receive their firearm?
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yes

EMNofSeattle said:
How about a passport, set an illegal immigrant be eligible to receive a United States passport?
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yes
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No they don't

At least they don't have second amendment rights. They can't legally recieve a passport, or vote in elections
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well most of them then.
 
foadi said:
So inalienable rights. The answer should be obvious then. Can't legislate those away.
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List a right in the BOR that isn't modified by law. So much for inalienable.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No they don't

At least they don't have second amendment rights. They can't legally recieve a passport, or vote in elections
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Even many citizens can't receive US passports. Felons and people who don't pay child support. Congress is trying to expand this to people who are delinquent on taxes. This is downright criminal, if you ask me.
 
EMNofSeattle said:

First off, why the quotations around illegal?

For the purposes of this question, the hypothetical scenario implies that the emigrant is illegal, if I was asking does 2+2 equal four would you put quotation marks around the four? Someone is legally in the country or they're not it's that simple.

I would ask this, if an illegal immigrant has the same rights as a legal resident, should they be able to walk into a gun shop, fill out the 4473 truthfully stating they're unlawful alien on the form and receive their firearm?

Once an illegal immigrant can do that then we'll say I have the same rights as everyone else
How about a passport, set an illegal immigrant be eligible to receive a United States passport?
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I put quotes around illegal for indentification purposes only, people can do illegal things but they cannot be illegal themselves.
 
foadi said:
A lot of crappy countries don't allow foreigners to own property, but all the countries that top the Heritage Foundations Economic Freedom Index do.
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How much property would it take to pay China and Japan back the trillions they have lent us? They don't want our dollars.
 
foadi said:
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And you know what giving up passports to illegal immigrants would do? Other countries would refuse to except our passports and demand visas. The purpose of a passport is to identify the holder by nationality. If we hand out passports to people who are not nationals of the United States, other countries will stop trusting our passports
 
pbrauer said:
I put quotes around illegal for indentification purposes only, people can do illegal things but they cannot be illegal themselves.
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Illegal alien, is the proper term describing people who are aliens illegally in a country. If they were to receive a Visa or go home they would cease being illegal, so the person themselves is not illegal their status in the country is what's illegal.

And when did we start assigning the status of nobility to illegal aliens? How many people are we supposed to allow in the United States? 10 million? 30 million? 1 billion? 5 billion? When we dry all our rivers and develop our national parks to house them? At some point we got to realize the carrying capacity is been reached. You know longer have an empty continent to fill
 
foadi said:
Highly unfortunate the direction the US is headed in.
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Nonsense, these rights have been regulated by congress and reinterpreted by the SCOTUS from the beginning.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
And you know what giving up passports to illegal immigrants would do? Other countries would refuse to except our passports and demand visas. The purpose of a passport is to identify the holder by nationality. If we hand out passports to people who are not nationals of the United States, other countries will stop trusting our passports
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St Kitts and Nevis or Dominica don't seem to have that problem.
 
leoborn said:
How much property would it take to pay China and Japan back the trillions they have lent us? They don't want our dollars.
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Tell that to all the Chinese trying to get EB-5 visas right now.
 
foadi said:
St Kitts and Nevis or Dominica don't seem to have that problem.
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They also don't seem to have a 15+ million people problem.... And St. Kitts and Nevis is not issue passports to illegal immigrants, it took me all of five seconds to Google that and find out you have to be a permanent resident a citizen, or married to a citizen to receive one
 
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