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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    Many US citizens aren't allowed to vote.
    That's not the issue. The post is about the rights of illegal immigrants. Do they have the right to vote??
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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That's not the issue. The post is about the rights of illegal immigrants. Do they have the right to vote??
    Superman has the right to vote, or so it seems.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That's not the issue. The post is about the rights of illegal immigrants. Do they have the right to vote??
    If it is not a right that all US citizens have, then how is it relevant?
    I don't have proof for any of this, but you have to wonder.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    That's not the issue. The post is about the rights of illegal immigrants. Do they have the right to vote??
    Pretty sure they haven't. Wouldn't be hard for you to find out.
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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Ok. I can buy that because it's, well, Germany. After the beer, sauerkraut, sausage, and the autobahn, what have you got?
    Four reasons to move there?
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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So when the BOR refers to "the people", it means "the people of the world"?
    It means everyone under the jurisdiction of American law.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So when We The People established the Constitution, they meant everyone including illegal aliens right? Were they legal in the states too? Because the states preexisted the union.
    When We The People established it, there were no American citizens yet, because there was no America. And, of course, the preamble has no bearing whatsoever on the law, and I only talked about the Bill of Rights, not the constitution as a whole, which does differentiate between citizens and non-citizens. Although it does determine representation by persons, not by citizens, but I imagine that it's pretty hard to get illegal immigrants on the census. Either way, congress certainly can't pass laws prohibiting non-citizens from practicing their religions or denying them due process of law, so it's clear that some of the Bill of Rights applies, and no "originalist" nonsense can parse a word to say that any specific part doesn't.
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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Yes.

    It says right in our own Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.


    Any so-called "rights" beyond that, which one might attribute only to citizens, are not rights at all.... rather the product of a dystopian, fascist mindset.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Illegal alien, is the proper term describing people who are aliens illegally in a country. If they were to receive a Visa or go home they would cease being illegal, so the person themselves is not illegal their status in the country is what's illegal.

    And when did we start assigning the status of nobility to illegal aliens? How many people are we supposed to allow in the United States? 10 million? 30 million? 1 billion? 5 billion? When we dry all our rivers and develop our national parks to house them? At some point we got to realize the carrying capacity is been reached. You know longer have an empty continent to fill
    Maybe we should get the fire Marshall to rate this country has a occupancy limit of blank.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Carrying capacity is dynamic. It changes along with improvements in technology and infrastructure. The US is nowhere near carrying capacity. Would be cool if the US had 1 billion people. Imagine Seattle with 10 million people? Or LA with 50 million. Would be magnificent. Maybe one day
    I don't have proof for any of this, but you have to wonder.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    Carrying capacity is dynamic. It changes along with improvements in technology and infrastructure. The US is nowhere near carrying capacity. Would be cool if the US had 1 billion people. Imagine Seattle with 10 million people? Or LA with 50 million. Would be magnificent. Maybe one day
    Seattle at ten mil? No thank you there's too many people here now.

    LA cannot support anywhere near that many people. Even if the court ordered re-watering of the Owens river was overturned they couldn't put near enough water down the pipes . And have you been to LA recently? Where will 50 million people go?
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