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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    Everyone has a right to own property in the US, even non-residents. The US is the worlds premier asset haven, so foreigners from all over buy property. As far as work goes, seems like you'd be violating a citizens right to free association. What gives you the right to tell business owners who they can hire, or landlords who they can rent to?
    Business is regulated by Congress and the States by Constitution. So the Constitution, state and federal, gives the right to regulate business. As far as the ownership of property, we should have stopped that ages ago, most nations don't allow it. But even keeping it, good, gives us something to seize when they're found here illegally. Helps pay for their deportation.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Business is regulated by Congress and the States by Constitution. So the Constitution, state and federal, gives the right to regulate business. As far as the ownership of property, we should have stopped that ages ago, most nations don't allow it. But even keeping it, good, gives us something to seize when they're found here illegally. Helps pay for their deportation.
    A lot of crappy countries don't allow foreigners to own property, but all the countries that top the Heritage Foundations Economic Freedom Index do.
    I don't have proof for any of this, but you have to wonder.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Can you specify which rights? Right to be treated fairly as per the Constitution if accused of a crime? Right to receive public aid if otherwise not committing a crime? It's unfair to ask such a vague question then watch everybody twist in the wind trying to guess what you meant.
    I am sorry, I should have mentioned the Bill Of Rights in the OP.


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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    First off, why the quotations around illegal?

    For the purposes of this question, the hypothetical scenario implies that the emigrant is illegal, if I was asking does 2+2 equal four would you put quotation marks around the four? Someone is legally in the country or they're not it's that simple.

    I would ask this, if an illegal immigrant has the same rights as a legal resident, should they be able to walk into a gun shop, fill out the 4473 truthfully stating they're unlawful alien on the form and receive their firearm?

    Once an illegal immigrant can do that then we'll say I have the same rights as everyone else
    How about a passport, set an illegal immigrant be eligible to receive a United States passport?
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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am sorry, I should have mentioned the Bill Of Rights in the OP.
    So inalienable rights. The answer should be obvious then. Can't legislate those away.
    I don't have proof for any of this, but you have to wonder.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So when the BOR refers to "the people", it means "the people of the world"?
    "The people" is in the Preamble not the Bill of Rights."


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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    A lot of crappy countries don't allow foreigners to own property, but all the countries that top the Heritage Foundations Economic Freedom Index do.
    Take another look at that. They only allow ownership by foreigners who are from countries who are associated with them politically, as in the EU.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    By law they do, so I dont see the point of the poll.
    No they don't

    At least they don't have second amendment rights. They can't legally recieve a passport, or vote in elections
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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    Everyone has a right to own property in the US, even non-residents. The US is the worlds premier asset haven, so foreigners from all over buy property. As far as work goes, seems like you'd be violating a citizens right to free association. What gives you the right to tell business owners who they can hire, or landlords who they can rent to?
    Actually, I'm pretty sure that someone here illegally is prohibited from owning property. While you don't have to be a US citizen to own property you DO generally need to maintain some form of legal status to do so. Among other things, no bank in their right mind would give you a loan to purchase property when they have no possibility of legal recourse with you or the property.

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    Re: Do "illegal" aliens have the same rights as citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I would ask this, if an illegal immigrant has the same rights as a legal resident, should they be able to walk into a gun shop, fill out the 4473 truthfully stating they're unlawful alien on the form and receive their firearm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    How about a passport, set an illegal immigrant be eligible to receive a United States passport?
    yes
    I don't have proof for any of this, but you have to wonder.

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