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Thread: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post

    The Arab Spring
    .....the Arab Movement. Its a false idea from the get go.....as once again you don't have a clue as to how the message is spread, from those Clerics.

    Lets see you put up those numbers with the ME and Africa together and see what amount of Muslims make up the Demographic.

    Knock the BS off with the red herring crap. You were wrong on the Heretics gaining ground, wrong on they are not subjugating others, wrong about them not destroying others Culture and Religions. As it is real simple to use one incident from the Hebdo issue. To point out about all those illiterates that you were harping about. Yet have no ties to any Terrorists or Islamic Radicals, yet go and burn down Christian Churches and kill Christians. All due to hearing about what took place in France. Days afterwards.

    Seems Sisi and Egyptian Muslim disagrees with you as well. Which is why he gave a speech in front of the Same School that BO peep showed up to give his wasted speech. To Tell those Sunni Clerics to get up off their dead asses and start preaching what Islam is about. To take back their Religion. To Speak out to the youth. To not allow those like ISIS, AQ Ansar Al Sharia, to gain control and dictate the course of Islam.

    Take it back from who? Who was he talking about? You don't want to play with terminology and say Terrorists do you. Face the facts.....Islamic Attacks have increased throughout the entire planet. You want to play with terminology and call them radicals. That which they would call heretics too.

    Also millions of Christians never participated in taking out the Radicals/Heretics in their religion too. Despite the reality that was in their face. 2/3rds didn't even know what was going on with the Leadership for their own religion. Same as the Hindus. So it will be the same for the Muslims. Except they don't have the excuses of those from more ancient times or time from the far past.
    There are so many red herrings here it's almost impossible to address them all within 3000 characters, but I'll try. There simply isn't a takeover of Islam by "heretics" because the majority of Muslims don't even live within communities that have been taken over in any sense. The majority of the Muslim world is still going on about its day, buying groceries, going to school, watching movies, working their farms etc. That really is the "reality" of this overblown communal issue that you believe Muslims have. Now, it doesn't matter what Sisi (whoever that is) feels on the issue because well, there are literally thousands of clerics he doesn't deal with or for that matter have anything to do with.

    Now, as per the rest of your quote, it's just another giant strawman which has little to do with your initial claim that what happened in the Arab Spring, which was a contained urban event defined by A) ethnicity B) political situation could be applied to a situation which you claim involves the majority of Muslims even though the majority of Muslims don't actually live in any of the places where these groups exist. If you want to continue believing that by throwing out a non-existence reformation of Hindu belief which never really happened as Hinduism and Islam regularly come into conflict in India, or a reformation of Christianity which - let's face it - only really happened in the old Christian world, you're welcome to. Just don't expect people with an understanding of this issue to take you seriously.

    By the way, you've yet to answer my question: What can Ahmed the fellah in rural Egypt have to do about Islamic terrorism?
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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    He wasn't arguing anything.
    I'm not sure whether you actually read what is posted or whether you ignore what you don't like. In either case:

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB
    Belief is the same throughout. Maybe methodology has some differences. Same people, same beliefs.
    That is an argument and what is in discussion. If it's good for Islam, it's good for Christianity.
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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nope. Christians are killing and raping women for simply living in the wrong country's villages. See how your absurd arguments work?
    Really? When?

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Sure, just don't send a gay guy to do the polling. Since they have "morality police", and being gay is highly illegal in Islamic Sharia law, it could cause some problems! But yea, they're peaceful ;-)
    Greetings, 11Bravo.

    Yea, they blindfold them, tie their hands behind their backs, and throw them out of second story windows while a large crowd watches. I don't recall the details, but do they then behead them if they're not "lucky" enough to die on the spot? Disgusting animals!

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I know that. But I wonder who exactly believes the idea that Muslims act as one single population bloc?
    I think it's OK for them to lie to the rest of us so, who knows. The certainly send mix messages.
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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Really? When?
    2008 Christmas massacres - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Atiak massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic - The Washington Post
    Rights groups warn of ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Central African Republic - CNN.com

    Some of these literally happened months ago (like the Central African massacre). According to your argument, this is how Christians think. Same people, same beliefs? Yes?
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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No more than the actions of pedophile priests represent the views of Catholics, the actions of Warren Jeffs represent the views of Mormon, the actions of the phelps clan represent the views of Baptists, and so on.
    Except, ie, Pedophilia is Not in Catholic Scripture, while ISIS IS closely emulating Muslim scripture and the cleansing/converting of the Arabian peninsula by Mohammed.
    and Ironically on the Former point, Mohammed, of course, betrothed a 6 year old and consummated her at 9.


    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    It's very hard to poll the muslims in the middle east. Millions live in extreme poverty and have never been asked a poll question by some guy from Gallup.
    Of Course Not all, not even Most, Muslims live in the Middle East. Probably no more than app 1/3 do.
    What an unbelievable reply.

    Which only proves the adage about asking a 'goofy' question, get a ...
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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So you are going to use some almost unheard of killings in some bassakwards nations as a bolster for your argument? As a catholic, we also have a leader that denounces such acts in public on a regular basis in front of crowds of sometimes millions.

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Belief is the same throughout. Maybe methodology has some differences. Same people, same beliefs.
    Heya Crue. Seems Sisi of Egypt has a different idea. He started with their Holymen of the Sunni Doctrine.

    Addressing the assemblage of imams in the room, al-Sisi called for a "religious revolution" in which Muslim clerics take the lead in rethinking the direction Islam has taken recently. An excerpt (as translated by Raymon Ibrahim's website):


    "I am referring here to the religious clerics. … It's inconceivable that the thinking that we hold most sacred should cause the entire umma (Islamic world) to be a source of anxiety, danger, killing and destruction for the rest of the world. Impossible!

    "That thinking — I am not saying 'religion' but 'thinking' — that corpus of texts and ideas that we have sacralized over the centuries, to the point that departing from them has become almost impossible, is antagonizing the entire world. It's antagonizing the entire world! ... All this that I am telling you, you cannot feel it if you remain trapped within this mindset. You need to step outside of yourselves to be able to observe it and reflect on it from a more enlightened perspective.

    "I say and repeat again that we are in need of a religious revolution. You, imams, are responsible before Allah. The entire world, I say it again, the entire world is waiting for your next move … because this umma is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost — and it is being lost by our own hands."

    Do you know why he went to the Sunni Holymen first?

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Even if all Muslims were radicals, you couldn't prove it. So it's ridiculous to phrase the question in the OP that way. Even if all had extremist views, doubtfull all would take action. The situation is like this, there are sufficient numbers who are taking violent actions to profile those people. They need to be watch more closely, because there are enough that are willing to take very dangerous actions against Westerners. I don't care if not all 1.6 billion Muslims are blowing themselves up; enough are for us to take action. What prudent leader would set the threshold at 1.6 billion people? Let's not get silly.
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