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Thread: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

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    re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I know that. But
    I wonder who exactly believes the idea that Muslims act as one single population bloc?


    The stupid, bigoted people on this planet and we've got plenty of people like that in the USA.

    If you don't think so read some of the comments that they post.

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    re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And stupefyingly stupid at worst, eh?
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    I wonder how many people fit into that demographic.
    You'll find plenty of them in the international politics section of this forum claiming Muslims burn 40K cars in France per year or saying all Muslims are Jihadists.

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    re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Radcen. Agreed quite absurd and irrelevant.....is the question even framed Right?

    Did the Christians have to condemn what took place with their Spanish Inquisition? Did the Christians have to condemn the heretics of their Religion that tried to hijack that religion?

    Did it take 200 years for the Christians to drive out the heretics? Did it take the Hindus to chase out their heretics of Shiva? Each Major religion has had heretics and each has tried to hijack their own religion.

    How long do you think it will take the Muslims to figure out what is simple and the basics?


    How long did it take the Christians?

    We should give the Muslims at least as long, eh?

    Then after that period of time is over with we'll get back to finding fault with the way that they run their religion.

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Acknowledge? As in... accept that they existed? Well, they accepted that these people existed, and then they acted on that. Throughout most of history they acted by burning, slaughtering, punishing these "heretics". So I'm not sure what you're asking, have Christians embraced these heretics? Well, I don't know. Let's ask the Ugandan government? We could also ask the mostly Catholic Latin American countries where being gay is enough to get you killed. We could also ask many witch hunters in Africa how they feel about 'heretics'. The answer will be that yes, they exist, but that's entirely irrelevant to what they can do about them.



    None of this has any relevance to what I stated. My general question was about why Muslims were expected to do something that Christians weren't. That being deal with their bad apples on a personal level. Can you tell me why you expect the functionally illiterate masses in the Muslim world to deal with an issue they may not even be aware of? Why does a fellah in Morocco have to deal with Islamic terrorism when he may not even read a newspaper for weeks? Why does a student in Nigeria have to drop whatever he's doing to fight terrorism and make people in the West feel better?
    Did the Christian leaders and heretics end up being tried and condemned? Put in Newspapers, taken into courts. Court Law and before Kings, and or some other Royal title.

    All of it has relevance to what you said. But due to it not just following what you said. But due to some realities that you forgot with all that you were saying......Do their Clerics make the journey to Mecca? From whatever country?????

    Is that not how they spread the Word for those that are illiterate. Has not the Taliban showed for generations on what knowledge is passed and how? How about those Indonesian Clerics that are Muslim?

    Also did you forget the Arab spring? Did you forget how their Clerics used Social media to get in touch with each other in different countries. Imagine that!

    What happened? How many decades do we have to be told.....how many have been taught by word of mouth from those regions of the world that lack in education. Which says nothing of those who are Highly informed and knows exactly what is going. Like the King of the Saud and Sunni!

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Another Ridiculous Poll.

    NO one ever suggested ISIS etc represents the "views of ALL Muslims/the entire faith."


    This GARBAGE string is just a variant of the "All Muslims are terrorists" STRAWMAN.


    At least make it a little interesting by using "Majority" or "Minority" or "nothing significant" instead of "Entire"/aka 100%!

    How Frigging Nonsensical and guaranteed overwhelming and [Worthless] result.

    How about for your next POS poll, "Louis Farrakhan represents ALL Blacks"?
    or "ALL Blacks are criminals, Yes or No?"


    My guess is that someone in the USA has suggested this and if we do enough digging we can find a link to support that.

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How long did it take the Christians?

    We should give the Muslims at least as long, eh?

    Then after that period of time is over with we'll get back to finding fault with the way that they run their religion.


    Heya SN. As Hatuey put it, over 1400 hundred years.

    Nah, they can't even come up with a decent excuse in todays day and age. Would have been easier for them if they had done it back then when the Christians were doing it. At least they couldn't use any excuses over technology.

    Plus lets not go with that.....Patience is a virtue and stuff like that.

    I'm with Egypt's Sisi on this.....chop chop, get to work. Isn't that what he told all their Holymen who are the So Called leaders of the Sunni Doctrine in Egypt?

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya SN. As Hatuey put it, over 1400 hundred years.

    Nah, they can't even come up with a decent excuse in todays day and age. Would have been easier for them if they had done it back then when the Christians were doing it. At least they couldn't use any excuses over technology.

    Plus lets not go with that.....
    Patience is a virtue and stuff like that.


    I'm with Egypt's Sisi on this.....chop chop, get to work. Isn't that what he told all their Holymen who are the So Called leaders of the Sunni Doctrine in Egypt?


    What do we need? Ans = Patience.

    When do we need it? Ans = Now!!

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    My guess is that someone in the USA has suggested this and if we do enough digging we can find a link to support that.
    Isn't that sort of like this?


    US should stop Syria not ISIS: Saudi Prince.....

    U.S. policymakers should concentrate on eliminating the threat posed by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad instead of Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria, according to an influential member of the Saudi Arabian royal family. Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud told CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos that the reason why Islamic State exists is because of what's happening in Syria and has called on U.S. authorities including the government, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military to act.

    The prince, who is a former intelligence chief in Saudi Arabia and ambassador to the U.S., said that the United States is currently "leaving Assad to continue his murderous campaign." .....snip~

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-sto...095231188.html


    Hows that Muslim Sectarian Divide over Religion working? Here the Saud are still worried about Assad. But only due to Assad killing the Sunni Rebel/Terrorists from taking over his Country. Pretty much leaving Iran as the only Ruling Shia in Power left. Even though all of Iran is not Shia.

    Also note.....how the Saud, tremble and make excuses for what they cannot do on their own. Never have been able to. Which is take out Assad's Tribe of Syrians. The only remaining DNA left to the Original Syrian Inhabitants.

    The Saud always has to get others to do what they are not Man enough to do.....nor Honorable enough to do. Which is Deal with Assad themselves.
    Last edited by MMC; 01-22-15 at 02:51 AM.

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    Re: Do the actions of ISIS and al Qaeda represent the veiws of all Muslims?[w:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Did the Christian leaders and heretics end up being tried and condemned?

    Put in Newspapers, taken into courts. Court Law and before Kings, and or some other Royal title.

    All of it has relevance to what you said. But due to it not just following what you said. But due to some realities that you forgot with all that you were saying......Do their Clerics make the journey to Mecca? From whatever country?????

    Is that not how they spread the Word for those that are illiterate. Has not the Taliban showed for generations on what knowledge is passed and how? How about those Indonesian Clerics that are Muslim?

    Also did you forget the Arab spring? Did you forget how their Clerics used Social media to get in touch with each other in different countries. Imagine that!

    What happened? How many decades do we have to be told.....how many have been taught by word of mouth from those regions of the world that lack in education. Which says nothing of those who are Highly informed and knows exactly what is going. Like the King of the Saud and Sunni!
    Interesting. You seem to be under the impression that the Arab Spring - which was a contained urban event - can be extrapolated to some sort of pan-Islamic movement to deal with terrorism. However, the reality is that the Arab Spring had its own set of constraints which didn't really have much to do with Islam or for that matter religion.

    The Arab Spring (emphasis on Arab as opposed to Muslim Spring) spread in urban environments. It was a call for regime change that was worlds away from where most Muslims live and more importantly, had little to do with Islam itself. As such, there wasn't really an Arab Spring. There was an Egyptian Spring, an Tunisian Spring, etc. With that said, they were individual revolutions which were spread in urban centers and had little impact on the rest of the Muslim world.

    Secondly, the people it did spread to did not join it based on an idea of solidarity with people of other countries against oppressive regimes, but the belief that they needed to address the situations in their own countries. It was a societal event restricted to mostly urban people in a small group of countries which shared similar regimes and situations. However, even in the supposed magnitude you claim it had, it failed to even register in countries like Pakistan (158 million) or Singapore (249 million), India (177 million), Bangladesh (144 million) where over 60% of all Muslims live. Hell, I could go down the list of Muslim countries and you'd find that the "Arab Spring" really had nothing to do with the Muslim world and even in countries with equally oppressive regimes, it failed to pick up any steam.

    With all of that said, you really seem to not be able to understand that this is a world where there a hundreds of millions of people. Most of whom are concerned with personal situations like earning money, buying food, taking their kids to school etc. If the majority of Christians don't take time out of their day to tell us that they oppose things we all find abhorrent, what makes you think that the average moderate Muslim would?

    So with this all said, even if your idea on what Muslims can do held any water, it would be restricted to situations in their countries and would have nothing to do with the West or for that matter international terrorism. Remember, Muslim countries deal with terrorism in their own territories. Asking them to address it like they did the Arab Spring would literally mean that most of the Muslim world would have nothing to do with addressing terrorism, and whomever did, would deal with it on his own land. So... the status quo.
    Last edited by Hatuey; 01-22-15 at 03:05 AM.
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