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Muslim reaction to Charlie Hebdo terrorism [W:176]

What will happen of 'moderate' muslims?

  • This is only the beginning. Muslims will turn to violence

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • This in a minority of the muslim population, all muslims don't agree with them

    Votes: 17 65.4%

  • This is a minority of muslims now, but most will join these muslims in arms in due time

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • Total voters
    26
Deuce said:
Just like you wont condemn Christians who support terrorism.

Muslims dislike cartoon -> protest. Terrorist kills cartoonist. Therefore Muslims support terrorism.

Christians dislike abortion -> protest. Terrorist kills abortion doctor. Therefore Christians support terrorism.
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More deluded Deception by Deuce.

How many have Muslims killed in Jihadist violence since the last 'abortion clinic doctor' was murdered? 100,000? 200,000?

More are Killed in the NAME of Islam, on Most Single DAYS, even many Single HOURS, than the total from 'abortion clinic' violence in 30 YEARS.

Your posts are pathetic Clownery in service of a Lie.
You didn't/couldn't answer my Meaty last post either.
 
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mbig said:
More deluded Deception by Deuce.

How many have Muslims killed in Jihadist violence since the last 'abortion clinic doctor' was murdered? 100,000? 200,000?

More are Killed in the NAME of Islam, on Most Single DAYS, even many Single HOURS, than the total from 'abortion clinic' violence in 30 YEARS.

Your posts are pathetic Clownery in service of a Lie.
You didn't/couldn't answer my Meaty last post either.
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Name the top 5 nations you think of when you think Islamic terrorism. It's a simple discussion you refuse to have.
 
Deuce said:
Name the top 5 nations you think of when you think Islamic terrorism. It's a simple discussion you refuse to have.
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When you concede your EVERY post is FILTHY Islamo-apologism, and you Lie Obsessively on the topic, and you Cannot/Did not answer ANY of my Blockbuster ones already containing the Relevant/Overwhelming Numbers...
We can then deal with an extension of that, your BS/'only-country' Non sequitur challenge which wouldn't prove anything but by design, Deflect/Omit the truth.

It's like I say 2+2=4... and you want to talk about numerology.. or only heavy-weight champions who live on prime-numbered blocks.

You have NO ANSWERS to having your posts Plainly Outed as Bizarro Lies for islam.
Your posts are Pathological, like talking to some religionist in the Philosophy section.
 
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Deuce offers reason against your tirades, why not try to respond appropriately?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Deuce offers reason against your tirades, why not try to respond appropriately?
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BS.
Deuce, as I explained above, offers only Deflection.
The point already Overwhelmingly Trumped by me with facts and figures he could NOT answer.
Thus his deflecting question.
An honest effort on your part would be to have HIM explain the blockbuster Jihadism death toll.

IF he has a point to make about 'nations', let HIM make it pro-actively instead of playing
20 questions.

Please post ON TOPIC instead your usual, empty, one-line CHEERLEADING.
 
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11Bravo said:
-- Muslim communities in Niger decided to ralley against Christians --
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This is actually quite common but has been going on at a lower level for decades. I saw and experienced the cross religious divide when I worked in Nigeria 20 years ago. Since my time there, Boko Haram has sprung up and is spreading from Nigeria into Cameroon and Niger and into Chad - provoking the strange scene of the Chad military attacking Boko Haram in North Eastern Nigeria and taking a Nigerian town (which the Nigerian military seem incapable of doing.

Grand Mal said:
-- Threads like this are only started to allow lowbrow juveniles to indulge in a hatefest and feel like there's no legitimate way to challenge them. If I disagree, I'm on the side of the terrorists, 'soft' on Muslims. Every new rightard who signs up here will eventually start a variation of this thread and it soon fills up with the same posters chanting the same mantras. It's gotten old, know what I mean?
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It's not old, it's spreading.

There is an age old hate which many westerners like you have little idea of until you actually live among peoples of split faiths in such communities.
 
mbig said:
When you concede your EVERY post is FILTHY Islamo-apologism, and you Lie Obsessively on the topic, and you Cannot/Did not answer ANY of my Blockbuster ones already containing the Relevant/Overwhelming Numbers...
We can then deal with an extension of that, your BS/'only-country' Non sequitur challenge which wouldn't prove anything but by design, Deflect/Omit the truth.

It's like I say 2+2=4... and you want to talk about numerology.. or only heavy-weight champions who live on prime-numbered blocks.

You have NO ANSWERS to having your posts Plainly Outed as Bizarro Lies for islam.
Your posts are Pathological, like talking to some religionist in the Philosophy section.
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Really? You think your posts are the rational ones, do you?

I'm trying to discuss the deeper causes of violence. You're launching into insane ad hominmen rants. Your choice, my friend. If you're too afraid to answer the question, just say so and I'll stop asking.

"Filthy islam-apologism." Sounds to me like you are fundamentally biased on the topic. You want to discuss the number of people killed by religious violence, but for some reason you seem terrified to even begin a discussion as to why.
 
mbig said:
BS.
Deuce, as I explained above, offers only Deflection.
The point already Overwhelmingly Trumped by me with facts and figures he could NOT answer.
Thus his deflecting question.
An honest effort on your part would be to have HIM explain the blockbuster Jihadism death toll.

IF he has a point to make about 'nations', let HIM make it pro-actively instead of playing
20 questions.

Please post ON TOPIC instead your usual, empty, one-line CHEERLEADING.
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I'm trying to discuss the deeper causes of violence. Your answer would help illuminate some of that discussion. Sometimes questions are the best tool for teaching.

But if you aren't willing to have an open-minded discussion, why should I bother explaining anything? If my arguments are really so flawed, wouldn't you want them to be played out so you can prove them wrong?
 
Deuce said:
I don't think you do agree.
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That's nice... not sure what that says about your comprehension skills though. :shrugs:

Islamic Radicalism.

When you see that term, I want you to name the five nations that you think make the biggest contribution. edit: let's stick to nations, as data is more readily available.
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What do nations have to do with an ideology/religion?

Most people who say that Radical Islam is to blame do not blame all Muslims or Islam as a whole. They can differentiate. I do. Why do we have to explain that there is a difference, that not ALL Muslims are terrorists, in this day and age? Some do... sure. Not most. This political correctness bull**** must stop. When we talk about serial killers we are talking about white men for the cast majority. IF I say that white men are the serial killers NOBODY CRIES about it... they simply know that the vast majority are white men so I do not need to put the label "vast majority" in front. When we talk about abortion doctor murders we are talking about Christian Fundamentalists almost every time. Nobody is condemning "Christianity". This sensitive ***** political correctness is getting in the way of honesty and truth.
 
Deuce said:
Name the top 5 nations you think of when you think Islamic terrorism. It's a simple discussion you refuse to have.
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State why nations are a valid part of the discussion and I will answer the question...
 
Manc Skipper said:
Deuce offers reason against your tirades, why not try to respond appropriately?
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Why are nations that we think of when we think of Islamic Terrorism a valid question when discussing Islamic Terrorism or Radical Islamic Terrorists?
 
Deuce said:
Name the top 5 nations you think of when you think Islamic terrorism. It's a simple discussion you refuse to have.
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Name the Top 5 nations that are producing poor circumstances in Middle Eastern countries that are leading the poor to turn to terrorism first.
 
Deuce said:
Just like you wont condemn Christians who support terrorism.

Muslims dislike cartoon -> protest. Terrorist kills cartoonist. Therefore Muslims support terrorism.

Christians dislike abortion -> protest. Terrorist kills abortion doctor. Therefore Christians support terrorism.
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Don't tear an ACL dodging the point.
 
Deuce said:
Name the top 5 nations you think of when you think Islamic terrorism. It's a simple discussion you refuse to have.
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Iran
Syria
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
 
Bodhisattva said:
Name the Top 5 nations that are producing poor circumstances in Middle Eastern countries that are leading the poor to turn to terrorism first.
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See? this guy gets it. There are factors other than the words in the holy book.

The world's largest muslim population is Indonesia, but that country didn't cross Mbig's mind when he was off on his ad hominem rants. He also doesn't want to discuss the fact that Jews have just as much insanity in their holy books and for some reason aren't executing people for wearing clothing of two different cloths. And Christians? Not really worth discussing. The OT counts when they want it to, but when you criticize it they run away and claim it doesn't apply to them.
 
apdst said:
Iran
Syria
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
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Top five Muslim populations:

Indonesia
Pakistan
India
Bangladesh
Nigeria

You got one out of five. Why aren't the bigger populations of Muslims causing more terrorism? If Islam is truly the primary variable, why does the correlation break down so hard?

Because, clearly, it's not the primary variable. The more important circumstances are crappy living conditions, growing up in a violent environment, lack of education, lack of healthcare, an oppressive government, and so on.

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.
 
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Deuce said:
See? this guy gets it. There are factors other than the words in the holy book.

The world's largest muslim population is Indonesia, but that country didn't cross Mbig's mind when he was off on his ad hominem rants. He also doesn't want to discuss the fact that Jews have just as much insanity in their holy books and for some reason aren't executing people for wearing clothing of two different cloths. And Christians? Not really worth discussing. The OT counts when they want it to, but when you criticize it they run away and claim it doesn't apply to them.
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Regardless of whether or not they are "real Muslims" or just terrorist scumbags is pretty much irrelevant though. They use passages from their religion that even some of the more moderate Muslims do not object to. They ARE Muslim. The reason that they turned to terrorism is due to socio-economic factors for a large majority but many are fervent believers that they are furthering their religion.

Will you admit that at least some of those terrorists are, in fact, Muslims acting out aspects of Islam? I will admit that there are Christians and Jews that do the same, kill, in the name of their religion, especially Christians in parts of India and Africa. Jews are generally on the defensive since bombing the British back in the 30's and 40's.
 
Deuce said:
Top five Muslim populations:

Indonesia
Pakistan
India
Bangladesh
Nigeria

You got one out of five. Why aren't the bigger populations of Muslims causing more terrorism? If Islam is truly the primary variable, why does the correlation break down so hard?
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In Indonesia, Radical Islam Threatens Democracy

According to the Setara Institute, religious intolerance is on the rise in Indonesia, with a 30 percent increase in documented acts of violence and discrimination from 2009 and 2010 -- from 93 to 135, respectively. Most of these have included attacks on minority religious groups and their houses of worship as well as incitements of hatred through public statements. For instance, since Yudhoyono came to power in 2004, Muslim extremists have burned, attempted to shut down or opposed the construction of hundreds of churches.

In Indonesia, Radical Islam Threatens Democracy
 
Deuce said:
Top five Muslim populations:

Indonesia
Pakistan
India
Bangladesh
Nigeria

You got one out of five. Why aren't the bigger populations of Muslims causing more terrorism? If Islam is truly the primary variable, why does the correlation break down so hard?

Because, clearly, it's not the primary variable. The more important circumstances are crappy living conditions, growing up in a violent environment, lack of education, lack of healthcare, an oppressive government, and so on.

Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.
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Why aren't those larget Muslim populations stamping out the islamofacists?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
This is actually quite common but has been going on at a lower level for decades. I saw and experienced the cross religious divide when I worked in Nigeria 20 years ago. Since my time there, Boko Haram has sprung up and is spreading from Nigeria into Cameroon and Niger and into Chad - provoking the strange scene of the Chad military attacking Boko Haram in North Eastern Nigeria and taking a Nigerian town (which the Nigerian military seem incapable of doing.



It's not old, it's spreading.

There is an age old hate which many westerners like you have little idea of until you actually live among peoples of split faiths in such communities.
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What's gotten old, what I'm speaking against, is the 'lowbrow juveniles' who use these terrorist events as an opportunity to voice their bigotry. It's other westerners doing this, mostly people from homogenous religious communities. I'm not speaking against religious bigotry in very sectarian societies, I understand how entrenched and immutable that is.
 
Deuce said:
See? this guy gets it. There are factors other than the words in the holy book.

The world's largest muslim population is Indonesia, but that country didn't cross Mbig's mind when he was off on his ad hominem rants.
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You nailed it again!

Indonesian Muslims persecuting others "never crossed my mind"!
Just on DP:
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...hristians+site:www.debatepolitics.com&start=0

Oh Baby!
You are a perfect like 0-fer-100 with me.

Of course I've been on the case for near 15 YEARS.
Yes this is me too, 'abu afak'
in 2004 on just ONE board.
(some others are now defunct)
Whyislam.org Forums: Palestinian ’Sesame street’/Kiddy Jihad

Last four posts on the page:
abu afak/mbig June 13 2004 said:
INDONESIA, Jan 2000
Escalating Anti-Christian Violence by Muslims

The end of the 20th and beginning of the 21st Century has witnessed a sharp increase in violence by Muslims against Christians in Indonesia and Egypt. Widespread sectarian killings in the Moluccas islands, Indonesia, are giving rise to a bloodbath similar to the atrocities witnessed in East Timor in 1999. Indonesian troops are increasingly taking sides in the conflict, especially against the Christians and often actively participate in committing atrocities.

In the northern part of Buru island, at least 125 Christians are reported to have been killed and 17 churches destroyed in the past few weeks. Christian and Muslim fatalities total at least 138 in Ambon and 500 in Halmahera island. Latest figures indicate that more than 700 people have died as a result of intense sectarian conflict in the Moluccas since late December last year. Since the violence started in January 1999, more than 1500 people are estimated to have died.

On December 26th 1999, the Silo Church, the largest Protestant church in Ambon island, was attacked and destroyed by Muslims.........
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abu afak/mbig June 13 said:

Forced Conversions, Circumcision in Moluccas
January 19, 2001
Conflict in the Moluccas
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abu afak/mbig June 13 said:
Muslim Rape of Ethnic Chinese in Indonesia
[July 22, 1998] -- Simon Ayasanjaya has a good business going these days. He sells chastity belts, although he doesn't call them that.
They're "anti-rape" harnesses, and they're selling like hotcakes.
[......]
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abu afak/mbig June 12 said:
http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Igpress/2002-01/windonesia.html

Indonesia
Christians plead for help
Jihad warriors threaten thousands

A group of buildings owned by the Catholic Church in Indonesia are under siege by Muslim extremists, according to London-based Christian Solidarity Worldwide. The group said members of the extremist Laskar Jihad have been fighting security forces in Ambon city in the Moluccas region for control over a Catholic diocesan educational compound. The compound is apparently seen as a strategic location because of its position overlooking several Christian neighborhoods.

More than 9,000 people have been killed in fighting in the Moluccas, a majority Christian region in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, since fighting between rival gangs began in 1998."..."
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Nope, "never even crossed my mind."
Been posting it since 9/11 though.


Deuce said:
He also doesn't want to discuss the fact that Jews have just as much insanity in their holy books and for some reason aren't executing people for wearing clothing of two different cloths. And Christians? Not really worth discussing. The OT counts when they want it to, but when you criticize it they run away and claim it doesn't apply to them.
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Asked and STUFFED just a few days ago!
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...uslims-than-non-muslims-5.html#post1064248413
UNANSWERED still.
Can't be.
And that's the way the same EXACT debate ended. Deuce MUM.
And what a memory you got.
That was 1/28.!

cont'd
 
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apdst said:
Why aren't those larget Muslim populations stamping out the islamofacists?
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Same reason you aren't stamping out street gangs.
 
mbig said:
You nailed it again!

Indonesian Muslims persecuting others "never crossed my mind"!
Just on DP:
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...hristians+site:www.debatepolitics.com&start=0

Oh Baby!
You are a perfect like 0-fer-100 with me.

Of course I've been on the case for near 15 YEARS.
Yes this is me too, 'abu afak'
in 2004 on just ONE board.
(some others are now defunct)
Whyislam.org Forums: Palestinian ’Sesame street’/Kiddy Jihad

Last four posts on the page:



Nope, "never even crossed my mind."
Been posting it since 9/11 though.


Asked and STUFFED just a few days ago!
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...uslims-than-non-muslims-5.html#post1064248413
UNANSWERED still.
Can't be.
And that's the way the same EXACT debate ended. Deuce MUM.
And what a memory you got.
That was 1/28.!

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I answered your questions. You just throw a tantrum because I don't agree with you.

The problem isn't the book. The problem is the people. There are fewer Jewish terrorists because there are fewer Jewish people living in poverty, despair, and being oppressed by their government.
 
Deuce said:
Name the top 5 nations you think of when you think Islamic terrorism. It's a simple discussion you refuse to have.
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apdst said:
Iran
Syria
Afghanistan
Pakistan
Saudi Arabia
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Deuce said:
Top five Muslim populations:

Indonesia
Pakistan
India
Bangladesh
Nigeria

You got one out of five. Why aren't the bigger populations of Muslims causing more terrorism? If Islam is truly the primary variable, why does the correlation break down so hard?
Because, clearly, it's not the primary variable. The more important circumstances are crappy living conditions, growing up in a violent environment, lack of education, lack of healthcare, an oppressive government, and so on. Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people.
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Just because a nation has the most Muslims...
it does NOT follow it would have the most terrorism, since Religiously Motivated violence needs a foil.. for just one point.

Places with Homogeneous All Muslim or All Sunni or All Shia populations might have no one TO fight except Neighbors. (I busted Indonesia in my last)
Of Course, you are Ignorant of the fact that 3 of your 5, India and Pakistan/Bang had to be separated in 1947 for THAT reason.
Ooops!


Now you LIE again.
You answered NONE of my points showing HUMONGOUS Religiously Motivated Violence BY Muslims, UNMATCHED by any other group.
(Poverty or no poverty)

Apparently you have no need to explain that to your own PC nor anyone else.
Just dishonestly search for tiny holes in a Nuclear Crater.


BTW, the 15 TOP Global Terrorism Nations are ALL MUSLIM or Muslim on Non-Muslim minority/majority Nations (9-12).. or Muslim Sectarian RELIGIOUSLY Motivated Violence.

Global Terrorism Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rank - - - Country - - - - Score
1 Iraq Iraq . . . . . . . . . . 10
2 Afghan Afghanistan 9.39
3 Pakistan Pakistan 9.37
4 Nigeria Nigeria . . . 8.58
5 Syria Syria . . . . . . .8.12
6 Bangladesh Bangladesh 7.77
7 Somalia Somalia . . . . . 7.41
8 Yemen Yemen . . .. . 7.31
9 Philippines Philippines 7.29
10 Thailand Thailand . 7.19
11 Russia Russia . . . . 6.76
12 Kenya Kenya . . . . . 6.58
13 Egypt Egypt . . . . . 6.5
14 Lebanon Lebanon . 6.4
15 Libya Libya . . . . 6.25​

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I mean, doesn't anyone other religion have any "Poverty"?
Yup there's no comparable "poverty" anywhere else!
Ouch!~

All your posts are Lies and you did NOT answer ANY of Mine showing More Violence in ONE MONTH than you ever have.. or ever will.
And Indonesia "never crossed my mind"!
 
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