• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Muslim reaction to Charlie Hebdo terrorism [W:176]

What will happen of 'moderate' muslims?

  • This is only the beginning. Muslims will turn to violence

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • This in a minority of the muslim population, all muslims don't agree with them

    Votes: 17 65.4%

  • This is a minority of muslims now, but most will join these muslims in arms in due time

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • Total voters
    26
11Bravo said:
Isolated? There's a suicide bombing in the name of allah every day. Women kidnapped by the hundreds, in the name of allah. Villages slaughtered in the name of allah.

How many in the name of Jesus Christ?

Your argument is weak at best. There's no comparison to the destruction Islam is producing right now than any real religion.
Click to expand...

What you said was that if there were enough moderate Muslims, there would not be any Muslim terrorism. So if there is an act of Christian terrorism, by your very own argument, that would mean there are not enough moderate Christians. You made a statement of absolute, I'm just applying it to other religions. You seem to be suggesting there are no moderate Muslims because the wars in the Middle East and expansion of terrorists in those regions.

It's your argument, and you are correct, it is weak at best.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
No, I think he has a point, let's look at it again:



On what planet is this anywhere near a legible response? I don't even know what you're trying to say. Jobs are committing murder in the name of Islam and 99.9% aren't outraged? Huh? Whose jobs are committing murder?
Click to expand...

You're not smart enough to figure out a typo?
 
apdst said:
You're not smart enough to figure out a typo?
Click to expand...

The entire sentence is a typo and is completely unreadable. When someone asked you to clarify you refused and just acted like an ass.

Why didn't you recognize you made a mistake and just clarify?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The entire sentence is a typo and is completely unreadable. When someone asked you to clarify you refused and just acted like an ass.

Why didn't you recognize you made a mistake and just clarify?
Click to expand...

No one asked me to clarify.
 
Ikari said:
What you said was that if there were enough moderate Muslims, there would not be any Muslim terrorism. So if there is an act of Christian terrorism, by your very own argument, that would mean there are not enough moderate Christians. You made a statement of absolute, I'm just applying it to other religions. You seem to be suggesting there are no moderate Muslims because the wars in the Middle East and expansion of terrorists in those regions.

It's your argument, and you are correct, it is weak at best.
Click to expand...

Lol your argument about Christians is adorable. You're trying to compare a peaceful religion, to the religion of destruction. Islam has suicide bombers, kidnappers, ground forces....all fight in the name of Allah.

Meanwhile the rest of the civilized world only fights terrorism.

Maybe one day some of the 1.3 billion "moderate" muslims will step in and fix their problem. If not, they are just supporting terrorism as we all suspected.
 
11Bravo said:
Lol your argument about Christians is adorable. You're trying to compare a peaceful religion, to the religion of destruction. Islam has suicide bombers, kidnappers, ground forces....all fight in the name of Allah.

Meanwhile the rest of the civilized world only fights terrorism.

Maybe one day some of the 1.3 billion "moderate" muslims will step in and fix their problem. If not, they are just supporting terrorism as we all suspected.
Click to expand...

No, I'm using your argument that said terrorist acts mean there aren't enough moderate Muslims. You didn't but any other qualifiers than that. If that is true, than terrorist acts by Christian groups mean there aren't enough moderate Christians. So what is your argument here? Do Christians not speaking out against Christian terrorist groups support terrorism?

The funny thing here is your one-way-street argument. You make a fundamentally flawed argument to apply to a group you don't like, but you refuse to see how that same argument can be applied elsewhere. There's no consistency. It's one or the other, take you pick.
 
Ikari said:
No, I'm using your argument that said terrorist acts mean there aren't enough moderate Muslims. You didn't but any other qualifiers than that. If that is true, than terrorist acts by Christian groups mean there aren't enough moderate Christians. So what is your argument here? Do Christians not speaking out against Christian terrorist groups support terrorism?

The funny thing here is your one-way-street argument. You make a fundamentally flawed argument to apply to a group you don't like, but you refuse to see how that same argument can be applied elsewhere. There's no consistency. It's one or the other, take you pick.
Click to expand...

Good point, let's list out terrorist acts in the name of Jesus Christ in the past 10 years, and then terrorist acts in the name of Allah in the past 10 years.

Let's get a real-time figure here to base our theories off of.

Will we even find any in the name of Jesus Christ? lol

We all know that they happen on an hourly basis in the name of Allah.
 
11Bravo said:
Good point, let's list out terrorist acts in the name of Jesus Christ in the past 10 years, and then terrorist acts in the name of Allah in the past 10 years.

Let's get a real-time figure here to base our theories off of.

Will we even find any in the name of Jesus Christ? lol

We all know that they happen on an hourly basis in the name of Allah.
Click to expand...

IRA is still relatively active.

There's this
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this
Assassination of George Tiller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this (though it's probably just more political)
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this (though it's from the 90's and outside the 10 year limit)
US Domestic Terrorism: Murder of Dr. John Britton

and this (also from the 90's)
Bombing at Centennial Olympic Park — History.com This Day in History — 7/27/1996

The fact is, not all terrorists are Muslim, in fact they don't play the dominate part and each religion it seems has acts of individuals committing terrorism against others.

Are All Terrorists Muslims? It
 
Ikari said:
IRA is still relatively active.

There's this
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this
Assassination of George Tiller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this (though it's probably just more political)
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this (though it's from the 90's and outside the 10 year limit)
US Domestic Terrorism: Murder of Dr. John Britton

and this (also from the 90's)
Bombing at Centennial Olympic Park — History.com This Day in History — 7/27/1996

The fact is, not all terrorists are Muslim, in fact they don't play the dominate part and each religion it seems has acts of individuals committing terrorism against others.

Are All Terrorists Muslims? It
Click to expand...

That's great, but how many killings in the name of Allah in the past 10 years vs. Jesus Christ?

Lol, I'd love to see you cite this, as you completely ignored it.
 
11Bravo said:
That's great, but how many killings in the name of Allah in the past 10 years vs. Jesus Christ?

Lol, I'd love to see you cite this, as you completely ignored it.
Click to expand...

You didn't ask for that, you said Christian, I showed you Christain. I didn't ignore it. Jesus.

But you have non-zero attacks, and again according to your initial argument, that means there are not enough moderate Christians.

It's interesting how you keep trying to move the goalposts here.
 
Ikari said:
You didn't ask for that, you said Christian, I showed you Christain. I didn't ignore it. Jesus.

But you have non-zero attacks, and again according to your initial argument, that means there are not enough moderate Christians.

It's interesting how you keep trying to move the goalposts here.
Click to expand...

I've asked it twice, you need to go back and re read.

How many killings in the past 10 years were done in the name of Allah? How many in the name of Jesus Christ?
 
11Bravo said:
I've asked it twice, you need to go back and re read.

How many killings in the past 10 years were done in the name of Allah? How many in the name of Jesus Christ?
Click to expand...

I gave you an article that has data on cumulative terrorist attack including muslim, christain, jewish, sepratist, etc. Just need to read.

But back to the point, you said terrorist attacks demonstrate that there are not enough moderates. There is Christain terrorism, that means by your own logic, there are not enough moderate Christains.
 
Moderate Muslims have a decision to make: a) Turn to liberty and back away from extreme religious positions, or b) turn to oppression and embrace the extreme religious positions.

Glad I am not religious :)
 
DDD said:
Moderate Muslims have a decision to make: a) Turn to liberty and back away from extreme religious positions, or b) turn to oppression and embrace the extreme religious positions.

Glad I am not religious :)
Click to expand...

Moderate Muslims already would not be engaging in extreme religious positions. Pretty much part and parcel with being a moderate.
 
Ikari said:
Moderate Muslims already would not be engaging in extreme religious positions. Pretty much part and parcel with being a moderate.
Click to expand...

If left alone, perhaps.

But they can and some are being bullied into engaging more into extreme positions.
 
Ikari said:
I gave you an article that has data on cumulative terrorist attack including muslim, christain, jewish, sepratist, etc. Just need to read.

But back to the point, you said terrorist attacks demonstrate that there are not enough moderates. There is Christain terrorism, that means by your own logic, there are not enough moderate Christains.
Click to expand...

Who cares about what Christians are doing? They aren't blowing themselves up in crowded markets. They aren't kidnapping hundreds of women. That's ONLY muslims.

Terrorism from the cult of islam.
 
11Bravo said:
Who cares about what Christians are doing? They aren't blowing themselves up in crowded markets. They aren't kidnapping hundreds of women. That's ONLY muslims.

Terrorism from the cult of islam.
Click to expand...

I gave you links to Christian terrorists. Listen, this comes down to one thing. You made a bad argument. I'm merely highlighting why your argument is garbage.
 
Ikari said:
I gave you links to Christian terrorists. Listen, this comes down to one thing. You made a bad argument. I'm merely highlighting why your argument is garbage.
Click to expand...

For every christian terrorists, over 1,000 people die from muslim terrorism. Your links are such bs. You are the only one on this planet comparing killings in the name of Jesus Christ, to anywhere near the killings in the name of Allah.

Only Al Qaeda plays that card.
 
11Bravo said:
For every christian terrorists, over 1,000 people die from muslim terrorism. Your links are such bs. You are the only one on this planet comparing killings in the name of Jesus Christ, to anywhere near the killings in the name of Allah.

Only Al Qaeda plays that card.
Click to expand...

Bwahahahahahahahahah. I gave a link that cites the State Departments statistics on terrorism, but it's BS. So says you, with no evidence as to why it's BS.

Hahahahahha. Piss poor arguments with piss poor defense.
 
Ikari said:
Bwahahahahahahahahah. I gave a link that cites the State Departments statistics on terrorism, but it's BS. So says you, with no evidence as to why it's BS.

Hahahahahha. Piss poor arguments with piss poor defense.
Click to expand...

First of all, suspected IRA groups are not fighting in the name of Jesus Christ. They are fighting for land and politics.

Second, let's cite how often someone kills in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, vs, in the name of allah.

let's do this week. Let's see who died from holy wars this week on each side. You are citing people are aren't fighting in the name of Jesus Christ. THey are just Christians. Big difference from the muslim cult fighting in the NAME OF ALLAH.

I hope that helped clear up your confusion
 
11Bravo said:
First of all, suspected IRA groups are not fighting in the name of Jesus Christ. They are fighting for land and politics.

Second, let's cite how often someone kills in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, vs, in the name of allah.

let's do this week. Let's see who died from holy wars this week on each side. You are citing people are aren't fighting in the name of Jesus Christ. THey are just Christians. Big difference from the muslim cult fighting in the NAME OF ALLAH.

I hope that helped clear up your confusion
Click to expand...

Christian v Christian. They are fighting for their interpretation of their religion, which happens to be Christian.

I love how you must continually shift the goal posts to try to make your point. It's a hallmark of a crap argument.
 
Ikari said:
Christian v Christian. They are fighting for their interpretation of their religion, which happens to be Christian.

I love how you must continually shift the goal posts to try to make your point. It's a hallmark of a crap argument.
Click to expand...

LOL no they aren't fighting that same war from the 1800's. They are fighting for POWER of Government!

Dude, you're comparing a regular war to a muslim blowing up his child in the middle of a crowded market? Are you kidding me?

What Taliban network propaganda site are you posting from?
 
11Bravo said:
LOL no they aren't fighting that same war from the 1800's. They are fighting for POWER of Government!

Dude, you're comparing a regular war to a muslim blowing up his child in the middle of a crowded market? Are you kidding me?

What Taliban network propaganda site are you posting from?
Click to expand...

Bwaaahahahahahaha, once again deflection. I gave links to specific Christian terrorist attacks and a report on the State Departments numbers on terrorism that show a non-zero Christian terrorist rate. But the State Deoartment., those guys are Taliban network, right? Hahahahaha.

You said that if there were enough Muslim moderates, there would be no Islamic terrorists. I demonstrated that there is a non-zero number of Christian terrorists which would mean, by your very argument, that there is not enough Christian moderates. But that doesn't fit your biased, political agenda, so all you've been able to do is deflect, move goal posts, and otherwise avoid addressing the major flaw in your argument.

That's where it stands. Your argument is crap and has been demonstrated to be crap. Refine it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom