Muslim reaction to Charlie Hebdo terrorism [W:176]

Alwin · Jan 30, 2015

Redress said:
Does any one else ever get the feeling that a bunch of Christian extremists are working hard to justify a holy war?

Maybe they're just trying to protect the values their societies hold dear, that are being threatened at an increasing rate?

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

apdst said:
It certainly doesn't translate into the condemnation of the Charlie Hebdo attack.

You asked what. I showed you what. You obviously have no retort, since you want to drag the Tea Party into it. Let me guess...Tea Paertiers are what? Racists? Is that where you're headed?

:roll: So quick to jump to the race card, apdst. Forget it.

Plenty of Muslims condemned the attack. You just don't care.

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

Alwin said:
Maybe they're just trying to protect the values their societies hold dear, that are being threatened at an increasing rate?

Which values? Suppression of the religious freedom of any non-Christians?

apdst · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
:roll: So quick to jump to the race card, apdst. Forget it.

Plenty of Muslims condemned the attack. You just don't care.

800,000 Muslims gathered together to support the attacks. Top that.

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

apdst said:
800,000 Muslims gathered together to support the attacks. Top that.

Much like 500,000 people just gathered in DC to support abortion clinic bombings.

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
How come you didn't post any links of Muslims condemning the attacks?

Because that isn't the point. The point is that we see a large group of Muslims reacting angrily and/or violently every time something happens that they find offensive. It isn't some small Christian like cult praising dead US soldiers on a street corner or the non-existent violent Buddhist reactions or Jews anywhere around the world other than Israel reacting with violence. It is the Muslims. It is Islam. Every time. Why do so many of you find that difficult to accept? Yes, there are hundreds of millions of nice peaceful Muslims. But the percentage of violent ones far exceeds any other religion. Why the dance? Why the evasion? Why can't you simply accept the truth? Not addressing the problem only helps it propagate and flourish.

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

Bodhisattva said:
Because that isn't the point. The point is that we see a large group of Muslims reacting angrily and/or violently every time something happens that they find offensive. It isn't some small Christian like cult praising dead US soldiers on a street corner or the non-existent violent Buddhist reactions or Jews anywhere around the world other than Israel reacting with violence. It is the Muslims. It is Islam. Every time. Why do so many of you find that difficult to accept? Yes, there are hundreds of millions of nice peaceful Muslims. But the percentage of violent ones far exceeds any other religion. Why the dance? Why the evasion? Why can't you simply accept the truth? Not addressing the problem only helps it propagate and flourish.

Christians aren't praising dead US soldiers because US soldiers aren't killing Muslims by the thousands.

The Old Testament has just as much wacky, violent **** in it as the Koran does. Can you explain to me why you think Islam turns more people into murderers?

You are the one who needs to address the problem. The real problem.

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Ikari said:
IRA is still relatively active.

There's this
Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this
Assassination of George Tiller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this (though it's probably just more political)
Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and this (though it's from the 90's and outside the 10 year limit)
US Domestic Terrorism: Murder of Dr. John Britton

and this (also from the 90's)
Bombing at Centennial Olympic Park — History.com This Day in History — 7/27/1996

The fact is, not all terrorists are Muslim, in fact they don't play the dominate part and each religion it seems has acts of individuals committing terrorism against others.

Are All Terrorists Muslims? It

Bravo said in the name of Jesus Christ and your first one isn't about that... in face, there is nothing religious about it at all.

The Joint Terrorism Task Force investigated the site, and police were treating the incident as an act of domestic terrorism. Oak Creek police handed the investigation over to the FBI. They were also investigating possible ties to white supremacist groups and other racial motivations. US Attorney General Eric Holder described the incident as "an act of terrorism, an act of hatred, a hate crime."

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Originally Posted by 11Bravo
That's great, but how many killings in the name of Allah in the past 10 years vs. Jesus Christ?
Lol, I'd love to see you cite this, as you completely ignored it.

Ikari said:
You didn't ask for that, you said Christian, I showed you Christain. I didn't ignore it. Jesus.

:lol: Post #108 just four posts ago, or so...

Bravo
Good point, let's list out terrorist acts in the name of Jesus Christ in the past 10 years, and then terrorist acts in the name of Allah in the past 10 years.

It's interesting how you keep trying to move the goalposts here.

Uh-huh.... :lol:

Listen, this comes down to one thing. You made a bad argument. .

I'm merely highlighting why your argument is garbage.

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
Christians aren't praising dead US soldiers because US soldiers aren't killing Muslims by the thousands.

The Old Testament has just as much wacky, violent **** in it as the Koran does. Can you explain to me why you think Islam turns more people into murderers?

You are the one who needs to address the problem. The real problem.

The real problem is the number of Muslims turning to violence is greater than the number from any other religion. Sure, they are using wacky violent crap that the Bible also has but the point is that more Muslims are ACTING on that violent wacky crap than are others.

Ikari · Jan 30, 2015

Bodhisattva said:
Bravo said in the name of Jesus Christ and your first one isn't about that... in face, there is nothing religious about it at all.

The Joint Terrorism Task Force investigated the site, and police were treating the incident as an act of domestic terrorism. Oak Creek police handed the investigation over to the FBI. They were also investigating possible ties to white supremacist groups and other racial motivations. US Attorney General Eric Holder described the incident as "an act of terrorism, an act of hatred, a hate crime."

Those are all motivated by religion, and in this case it's the Christian religion. I know y'all want to rewrite the history here, but reality is as reality is. That last link, FYI, cites the State Department's statistics on terrorism, and the majority of it ain't Muslim.

Oh, hey, look at what we have here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord's_Resistance_Army

Lord's Resistance Army....guess they ain't Christian either. Know another Christian hate group (they've toned down there terrorism in the modern era); KKK.

How about this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
Just 4 years ago, in the name of Christ.

In July 2011, Anders Behring Breivik was arrested and charged with terrorism after a car bombing in Oslo and a mass shooting on Utøya island that killed 77 people. Hours prior to the events, Breivik released a 1,500-page manifesto detailing his beliefs that immigrants were undermining Norway's traditional Christian values, and identifying himself as a "Christian crusader"

Hahaha.

Though I don't say that these examples of Christian terrorism means there aren't enough moderate Christians. The vast majority of Christians will not engage in this behavior, the same as the majority of Muslims will not. But if Muslim terrorism shows there are not enough Muslim moderates, as the claim was, then likewise the existence of Christian terrorism means there are not enough Christian moderates.

Hey, it wasn't my argument, take it up with the 11, he made the argument.

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

Bodhisattva said:
The real problem is the number of Muslims turning to violence is greater than the number from any other religion. Sure, they are using wacky violent crap that the Bible also has but the point is that more Muslims are ACTING on that violent wacky crap than are others.

Right.

Islam has wacky violent stuff in the books.
Judaism has wacky violent stuff in the books.

One religion has a greater instance of violence than the other.

Clearly the variable of significance is not the words in the books.

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
Right.

Islam has wacky violent stuff in the books.
Judaism has wacky violent stuff in the books.

One religion has a greater instance of violence than the other.

Clearly the variable of significance is not the words in the books.

It is in the interpretation and/or indoctrination.

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

Bodhisattva said:
It is in the interpretation and/or indoctrination.

And would you agree a violent person is vastly more likely to find justification for murder in a religious book than a non-violent person? That said interpretation is much more likely to lean towards "BURN THE WITCH" if they're the sort of person who already wants to kill you?

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Ikari said:
Those are all motivated by religion, and in this case it's the Christian religion. I know y'all want to rewrite the history here, but reality is as reality is. That last link, FYI, cites the State Department's statistics on terrorism, and the majority of it ain't Muslim.

Oh, hey, look at what we have here.

Lord's Resistance Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lord's Resistance Army....guess they ain't Christian either. Know another Christian hate group (they've toned down there terrorism in the modern era); KKK.

How about this?
2011 Norway attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Just 4 years ago, in the name of Christ.

Hahaha.

Though I don't say that these examples of Christian terrorism means there aren't enough moderate Christians. The vast majority of Christians will not engage in this behavior, the same as the majority of Muslims will not. But if Muslim terrorism shows there are not enough Muslim moderates, as the claim was, then likewise the existence of Christian terrorism means there are not enough Christian moderates.

Hey, it wasn't my argument, take it up with the 11, he made the argument.

There is a lot of violence done in the name of Christianity and even more in the name of Islam... Most people are concerned about terrorism and the Norway attack is a great example of that. That said, the State Department is much more concerned with Muslim terrorism than anything else:

Country Reports on Terrorism 2013

Almost all Christian Terrorism takes place in India and Africa and for the vast majority of incidents it is against the government and not against innocent civilians. That difference is huge compared to the ever growing Muslim violence against innocent civilians. How many Christians have hijacked planes? Suicide bombed weddings, schools or markets?

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
And would you agree a violent person is vastly more likely to find justification for murder in a religious book than a non-violent person? That said interpretation is much more likely to lean towards "BURN THE WITCH" if they're the sort of person who already wants to kill you?

I would agree that most terrorists/violent people are brainwashed or have mental deficiencies of some type and that they can be used for violence by strong leaders...

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

Bodhisattva said:
I would agree that most terrorists/violent people are brainwashed or have mental deficiencies of some type and that they can be used for violence by strong leaders...

Right. The problem isn't the book. The problem is the person. Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people.

And a large number of Muslims live in poor countries, with less access to education, healthcare, clean food and water, greater threat of violence in their every day life, more oppressive governments, etc etc.

If you want to end Islamic extremism, a new school and a clean water supply are better than a tank battalion.

Bodi · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
Right. The problem isn't the book. The problem is the person. Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people.

And a large number of Muslims live in poor countries, with less access to education, healthcare, clean food and water, greater threat of violence in their every day life, more oppressive governments, etc etc.

If you want to end Islamic extremism, a new school and a clean water supply are better than a tank battalion.

I agree and the same argument can be made to help our own very violent inner cities... We need to address our own failures before we attempt to teach others, or attack them.

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

Bodhisattva said:
Because that isn't the point. The point is that we see a large group of Muslims reacting angrily and/or violently every time something happens that they find offensive. It isn't some small Christian like cult praising dead US soldiers on a street corner or the non-existent violent Buddhist reactions or Jews anywhere around the world other than Israel reacting with violence. It is the Muslims. It is Islam. Every time. Why do so many of you find that difficult to accept? Yes, there are hundreds of millions of nice peaceful Muslims. But the percentage of violent ones far exceeds any other religion. Why the dance? Why the evasion? Why can't you simply accept the truth? Not addressing the problem only helps it propagate and flourish.

Bodhisattva said:
I agree and the same argument can be made to help our own very violent inner cities... We need to address our own failures before we attempt to teach others, or attack them.

I don't think you do agree.

mbig · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
Right. The problem isn't the book. The problem is the person. Religion doesn't kill people, people kill people.

And a large number of Muslims live in poor countries, with less access to education, healthcare, clean food and water, greater threat of violence in their every day life, more oppressive governments, etc etc.

If you want to end Islamic extremism, a new school and a clean water supply are better than a tank battalion.

BS on a stick.
More of the daily, Hourly, Dishonest apologism of Deuce.

Muslims are mostly are killing OTHER "Poor People" who are NOT doing the same to them.
And even others are it's at a TINY Fraction of the rate.
More People are killed in the Name of Islam EVERY DAY, and in some single HOURS, than are killed by many other religions in a Year.. or 30 YEARS.
ie.

re: November 2014 only.

BBC News - Jihadism: Tracking a month of deadly attacks
BBC News - Jihadism: Tracking a month of deadly attacks
10 December 2014

Jihadism: Tracking a month of deadly attacks
Jihadist attacks killed more than 5,000 people in just One month, an investigation by the BBC World Service and King's College London has found.

Civilians bore the brunt of the violence, with more than 2,000 killed in reported jihadist incidents during November 2014. Islamic State carried out the most attacks, adding to the spiralling death toll in Iraq and Syria. Explore the map to find out more.

The data gathered by the BBC found that 5,042 people were killed in 664 Jihadist attacks across 14 Countries - a daily average of 168 deaths, or 7 Every Hour.
[......]

NO One LIES for Islam, or anything else for that matter, more than Deuce.
Not a week goes by I don't correct him, and the very next hour he'll be LYING again.

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

mbig said:
BS on a stick.
More of the daily, Hourly, Dishonest apologism of Deuce.

Muslims are mostly are killing OTHER "Poor People" who are NOT doing the same to them.

Yes. Exactly. They kill those who do not do the same to them. Other Muslims. The majority of their victims are Muslim.

It's amusing that you think "murderers kill innocent people more often than other murderers" is some stunning revelation. But hey, have fun with some more personal attacks, it's excellent proof you can't respond to the argument being made.

And even others are it's at a TINY Fraction of the rate.
More People are killed in the Name of Islam EVERY DAY, and in some single HOURS, than are killed by many other religions in a Year.. or 30 YEARS.
ie.

re: November 2014 only.

BBC News - Jihadism: Tracking a month of deadly attacks
BBC News - Jihadism: Tracking a month of deadly attacks
10 December 2014

Jihadism: Tracking a month of deadly attacks
Jihadist attacks killed more than 5,000 people in just One month, an investigation by the BBC World Service and King's College London has found.

Civilians bore the brunt of the violence, with more than 2,000 killed in reported jihadist incidents during November 2014. Islamic State carried out the most attacks, adding to the spiralling death toll in Iraq and Syria. Explore the map to find out more.

The data gathered by the BBC found that 5,042 people were killed in 664 jihadist attacks across 14 Countries - a daily average of 168 deaths, or 7 Every Hours
[......]

NO One LIES for Islam, or anything else for that matter, more than Deuce.
Not a week goes by I don't correct him, and the very next hour he'll be LYING again.

Oh look. I see you did that.

You refuse to look at the real causes of violence. It's not the book.

Here's a test that I think might help you see:

Islamic Radicalism.

When you see that term, I want you to name the five nations that you think make the biggest contribution. edit: let's stick to nations, as data is more readily available.

I understand if you want to dodge the question.

mbig · Jan 30, 2015

Deuce said:
Yes. Exactly. They kill those who do not do the same to them. Other Muslims. The majority of their victims are Muslim.

LYING again.
We're NOT just talking about Muslims killing other Muslims in random street crime/poverty, etc...
We're talking about Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims (and reverse) for RELIGIOUS REASONS.

MORE DISHONESTY by Deuce.
Every post, Every day.

deuce said:
It's amusing that you think "murderers kill innocent people more often than other murderers" is some stunning revelation. But hey, have fun with some more personal attacks, it's excellent proof you can't respond to the argument being made.

Incoherent.
This is another DISHONEST (or OBTUSE) Mischaracterization.
What's with the "quote marks"? WHO are they quoting/characterizing? Not me.

Deuce said:
Oh look. I see you did that.
You refuse to look at the real causes of violence. It's not the book.
Here's a test that I think might help you see:
Islamic Radicalism.
When you see that term, I want you to name the five nations that you think make the biggest contribution. edit: let's stick to nations, as data is more readily available.
I understand if you want to dodge the question.

Do you have ANY point here?
If so, MAKE it instead this GOOFY challenge.

I just put up REAL Data: ONE (kinda typical) month, 5000+ Dead, in 14 countries, at the hand of "JIHADIST Violence", NOT Random or street crime.
Understand?
'Jihad' IS killing in the NAME OF ISLAM.
You? Nothing but More Blindingly Obtuse Nonsense and LIES.

EDIT:
Note Deuce's complete WHIFF Below and goofy nebulous 'challenge'/a point that even he can't make proactively.
Unable to answer my CATEGORICAL DESTRUCTION of his Ridiculous post.
Yes, he was unable to Tell the board what "Jihadist violence" means.
DISHONESTLY trying to make it "poverty"/street crime and Leaving out the Fact it was still Muslim Sectarian/Religious violence even when on [Not the same] 'other Muslims.'

Deuce · Jan 30, 2015

mbig said:
LYING again.
We're NOT just talking about Muslims killing other Muslims in random street crime/poverty, etc...
We're talking about Sunni Muslims killing Shia Muslims (and reverse) for RELIGIOUS REASONS.

MORE DISHONESTY by Deuce.
Every post, Every day.

Incoherent.
This is another DISHONEST (or OBTUSE) Mischaracterization.
What's with the "quote marks"? WHO are they quoting?

Do you have ANY point here?
If so, MAKE it instead this GOOFY challenge.

I just put up REAL Data: ONE (kinda typical) month, 5000+ Dead, in 14 countries, at the hand of "JIHADIST Violence", NOT Random crime.
Understand?
'Jihad' IS killing in the NAME OF ISLAM.
You? Nothing but More Goofy Nonsense and LIES.

If you would answer a simple question, my point would soon become more clear.

But you didn't.

apdst · Jan 31, 2015

Deuce said:
Much like 500,000 people just gathered in DC to support abortion clinic bombings.

I knew you wouldn't condemn Muslims who support terrorism.

Deuce · Jan 31, 2015

apdst said:
I knew you wouldn't condemn Muslims who support terrorism.

Just like you wont condemn Christians who support terrorism.

Muslims dislike cartoon -> protest. Terrorist kills cartoonist. Therefore Muslims support terrorism.

Christians dislike abortion -> protest. Terrorist kills abortion doctor. Therefore Christians support terrorism.

Muslim reaction to Charlie Hebdo terrorism [W:176]

What will happen of 'moderate' muslims?

This is only the beginning. Muslims will turn to violence

This in a minority of the muslim population, all muslims don't agree with them

This is a minority of muslims now, but most will join these muslims in arms in due time

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