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Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?[W:131]

Should we reduce or get rid of temp agencies?

  • Yes, get rid of.

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Yes, reduce.

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • No.

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • No, they are helping.

    Votes: 11 30.6%

  • Total voters
    36
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

I know???? Imagine not being grateful Massa finally gots around to mees...

what you and the other one seemed to miss was that all of those anecdotes had the underlying theme of respect.

In the first one, I was loved. Continuously praised for my work and demeanor. The front office actually called me asking me back, telling me all is forgiven. I knew I had another FT job lined up already and said thanks but no thanks.

The one where I threatened life and limb and was throwing projectiles were my fault for letting my anger get the better of me. I should have just walked off, but you know, I'm not, nor should anyone else allow employers to behave in that manner.

And the final one, I know, what a crappy attitude I had working 7 days a week pulling doubles happily for over 4 months and not accepting the blatant disrespect of a company who wiped their ass with my hard work but rewarded a Lead's daughter (who didn't put in the time or effort I did) in a most disgustingly blatant display of nepotism.

Sounds to me like you and the other one had one too many run-ins with the paddyrollers and now know your place.

Sorry, been an employer almost all my life. I know when an employee has a bad attitude the only thing that will cure that is the door.

You brought a bad attitude to each job and expected, as evidenced by your post here, that the boss somehow owes you something, he doesn't.

If, in your first example, your boss didn't think it was time to offer you a permanent position at that time, that was his right. Maybe he thought you grew a lot as an employee during that next 2 months and felt more secure offering you the job, who knows, but it was not your schedule that was important, but rather his, it was his company.

I hope you have better luck with your employees than your bosses had with you.

By the way, respect is earned, in case you did not know that.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Sorry, been an employer almost all my life. I know when an employee has a bad attitude the only thing that will cure that is the door.

You brought a bad attitude to each job and expected, as evidenced by your post here, that the boss somehow owes you something, he doesn't.

If, in your first example, your boss didn't think it was time to offer you a permanent position at that time, that was his right. Maybe he thought you grew a lot as an employee during that next 2 months and felt more secure offering you the job, who knows, but it was not your schedule that was important, but rather his, it was his company.

I hope you have better luck with your employees than your bosses had with you.

By the way, respect is earned, in case you did not know that.

Actually, it was my labor, so it was my call. But this is a good example of the fallacy employers portray that Employees/Employers are equals for At Will and Right to work for less arguments.... (I know this to be false but it is a common, oh my god, I'm gonna actually say it, meme around political message boards...)

I have had better "luck" actually, it comes with treating them like people and not chattel.

I agree. And when earned but not given, you get what you get, as they got.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Actually, it was my labor, so it was my call. But this is a good example of the fallacy employers portray that Employees/Employers are equals for At Will and Right to work for less arguments.... (I know this to be false but it is a common, oh my god, I'm gonna actually say it, meme around political message boards...)

I have had better "luck" actually, it comes with treating them like people and not chattel.

I agree. And when earned but not given, you get what you get, as they got.

So if one of your employees comes into your office and says he thinks he has worked enough to deserve a raise, you are going to let him call the shots?

Somehow I doubt that.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Actually, it was my labor, so it was my call. But this is a good example of the fallacy employers portray that Employees/Employers are equals for At Will and Right to work for less arguments.... (I know this to be false but it is a common, oh my god, I'm gonna actually say it, meme around political message boards...)

I have had better "luck" actually, it comes with treating them like people and not chattel.

I agree. And when earned but not given, you get what you get, as they got.


it is NEVER the employee's call

management always has the upper hand

you have choices....you can accept, counter, or walk

My employees dont and cant call the shots......

The first decision is always mine......
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Sorry, been an employer almost all my life. I know when an employee has a bad attitude the only thing that will cure that is the door.

You brought a bad attitude to each job and expected, as evidenced by your post here, that the boss somehow owes you something, he doesn't.

If, in your first example, your boss didn't think it was time to offer you a permanent position at that time, that was his right. Maybe he thought you grew a lot as an employee during that next 2 months and felt more secure offering you the job, who knows, but it was not your schedule that was important, but rather his, it was his company.

I hope you have better luck with your employees than your bosses had with you.

By the way, respect is earned, in case you did not know that.


You have an air of some age behind you. Lemme clue you in, I'm not in my 20's or 30's anymore so your not teaching me anything, k?

I don't get involved to much explaining my present day personal biz on these sites, but let me just tell you I'm not for want.

Now, if I were going to pass on some words of wisdom it would be a simple phrase;

Fortune favors the bold.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

it is NEVER the employee's call

management always has the upper hand

you have choices....you can accept, counter, or walk

My employees dont and cant call the shots......

The first decision is always mine......

Of course it is Slave massa....

They can walk at any time.

Your decision is to present them with opportunity and options, it is there's to decide whether to accept.

If none accept then you've got to change the options and opportunities.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

So if one of your employees comes into your office and says he thinks he has worked enough to deserve a raise, you are going to let him call the shots?

Somehow I doubt that.

If he made a case for himself or herself, sure.

I've had cooks come up to me and demand a raise, some I gave some I told the door is to the right, and it isn't locked, they're free to go. They could have walked off, left me in quite the pickle too. They didn't. Back then, I did. I've no regrets.

If you're an employer you should recognize this character trait. It should be why you're an employer and not employed.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Thanks for admitting I never posted anything about states or state laws.

Look honey I have not posted lies or admitting to anything. Please take that by the numbers internet BS and throw it at some children. It won't get you anywhere with me because it is just so stupid and lazy. I clarified and addressed all of this in post #42 and #54. I normally find your post intelligent and well thought through. So in post #52 I addressed first the OP and shared what I voted. Then I pointed out that that companies do use temp agencies to vet prospective employees for permanent hire. Pointing out that certain business realities from state to state inform these practices. And I asked you if this was not the case in your area. For reasons I still don't get, you became immediately defensive. You avoided my question and said you could not understand my comments. So I clarified them in #54. I made myself clear and gave you specifics and exactly what I meant and asked you the same question, again. You then avoided everything I had said to you, twice, and offered this obtuse comment: I never made any argument about laws being followed and never mentioned states.

So for whatever reason instead of the normally thoughtful posts I have seen from you in the past and even placed some likes on, now you can't even follow or address what I have said to you. Even when I patiently explain it to you. Instead you dodge my questions and avoid every point I have made. Instead you post accusations about "lies" and "admissions" you say I have made but that don't actually exist. For whatever reason you are coming across as something more hysterical than thoughtful today and yes at this point I give up. Again. For whatever reason you got real defensive real fast and it has not served you well. :2wave:
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Of course it is Slave massa....

They can walk at any time.

Your decision is to present them with opportunity and options, it is there's to decide whether to accept.

If none accept then you've got to change the options and opportunities.


your first line wasnt necessary

the rest i agree with 100%

good employees are hard to come by, and even harder to retain

i try not to lose them over little things

one of the things they all want is respect from their boss

i give.....to get

it is a symbiotic relationship....but a fragile one
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

your first line wasnt necessary

the rest i agree with 100%

good employees are hard to come by, and even harder to retain

i try not to lose them over little things

one of the things they all want is respect from their boss

i give.....to get

it is a symbiotic relationship....but a fragile one

I'll retract.

I'm usually dealing with 3 or 4 posters at a time on any given thread and have to come strong out the gate. Sometimes people get a pop they don't deserve. Still, no excuse.

Beg yer pardon...

It is the lack of respect employers give their employees which create the most amount of troubles for the employers.

It turns workers who'd otherwise have a "get'er done" attitude into a "Show up and get paid" attitude quicker than any other reason I know...
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

100% hit the nail on the head.


We've had these two temps, GREAT guys, and they are being told "we should have an answer for you shortly". They've been told that a million times. They don't get our wonderful benefits and PTO. A shame.

Benefits are often available thru those agencies. They have to offer a health plan now, even if it stinks but even most employer plans stink now. Of course if the temp job is less than 3 months then I dont think they are eligible. But if stay with the agency longer, on another job, it can carry over.

I'm a contract vendor these days, and the high tech agencies are competitive and have to offer benefits and perks, training, etc to keep the better talent.

In at 'at will' work state, if you are only working retail or a service job for minimum wage (or close to it) then you will almost definitely be kept below 40 hrs or 32 hrs so they dont have to give you full benefits anyway. And there's no security either. People come and go constantly.

I think temp agencies are a good way to get your foot in the door and make the most of an opportunity.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

It's costing your employer a fortune to maintain temps through an agency. No clue why they'd do that.

They weigh that against the benefits they'd be required to pay an employee. Benefits tend to be huge expenses.

It's a crapshoot right now tho because the health insurance industry/costs are in freefall. Who knows how it will all settle out? THat may change the cost/benefit of contractors/temp workers.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

What I find concerning is that we are seeing far too much of the work force being forced into working for temp agencies Helix. It is a symptom of where things stand with our economy and not a good one in my opinion! I know some temp agency horror stories and then I know some great temp agency stories too. What you described is more the company you were temping for screwing you over than the temp agency! I've told many people over the years, if you are temping as a stepping stone to a permanent position someplace for more than a year and half and they are not making serious moves towards hiring you (calling you into HR, doing interviews, etc)? Then you need to move on to some other company if that is what you are using the temp agency job for.

I have been an employee and a contractor for the same companies. Salaried. And as a contractor, I get the work done (well) but do not put in the ridiculous hours that the full time employees do. I'm done, I go home and they dont have the leverage of 'reviews' or anything else besides pride in my work. (Actually I mostly work from home currently...)

In high tech, it's often the employees that are slaves. Well-paid with benefits, but still slaves. And the contractors do get some benefits sometimes just as good, thru their agencies.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/the-rise-of-the-permanent-temp-economy/?_r=0



I think there should be laws in place defining what is temporary worker,ensuring that after a certain number of days temp workers are paid the same in benefits and wages as the regular workers in order to ensuring that companies are not hiring temp workers in order to get around paying the same wages and benefits and laws in place to ensure that companies are not merely using temp workers to get around certain federal or state laws.

They are doing that for that very reason in some cases. WHy is it wrong? Companies do it now to regular employees....they keep them just under the minimum required hours for full benefits, usually 40 or 32.

Many temp agencies do provide benefits. If you dont like the benefits or pay, take another job.

Businesses are in business to make a profit. (Seems obvious, I know)
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

They weigh that against the benefits they'd be required to pay an employee. Benefits tend to be huge expenses.

It's a crapshoot right now tho because the health insurance industry/costs are in freefall. Who knows how it will all settle out? THat may change the cost/benefit of contractors/temp workers.
You are right twice here. Obamacare has really put the entire future of temp agency business into an uncertain limbo for now. It will probably be a while before that changes. Which is why I brought up the fact that laws from state to state have had a huge impact on shaping what temp agencies have to offer their employes (pay and benefit wise) as well as what companies utilizing temp employes have to. This was apparently not comprehensible or understandable to tres borrachos for reasons unknown but which might be starting to become clear to me. Aside from that I was supposedly lying about something. ;)

I have been an employee and a contractor for the same companies. Salaried. And as a contractor, I get the work done (well) but do not put in the ridiculous hours that the full time employees do. I'm done, I go home and they dont have the leverage of 'reviews' or anything else besides pride in my work. (Actually I mostly work from home currently...)

In high tech, it's often the employees that are slaves. Well-paid with benefits, but still slaves. And the contractors do get some benefits sometimes just as good, thru their agencies.
You are preaching to the choir sister! I mentioned earlier that I've seen both good and bad use of temp agencies in my time in the work force. I also thought about mentioning that "believe it or not" some people actually choose to and enjoy working for temp agencies. So I see you know what I mean. The trend towards the use of temp agencies in the IT industry started a long time ago, I first encountered it in the late 1990s. I have to say it is one of those areas that has a lot of negative connotations (from the temp employee POV) in my experience. I've seen a lot of temps chewed up and used, but not by the temp agencies they work for. By the companies that are in my opinion exploiting the temps they dangle "permanent" positions in front of but never deliver to. Shameful and unethical. This is not true all the time, but I have seen it happen. Personally speaking my experiences working for and using temp agencies has been overwhelmingly positive. But I can't deny that I am aware of some overwhelmingly negative situations too. So I'm still very concerned with the trends I have seen over the last decade or so.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Look honey I have not posted lies or admitting to anything. Please take that by the numbers internet BS and throw it at some children. It won't get you anywhere with me because it is just so stupid and lazy. I clarified and addressed all of this in post #42 and #54. I normally find your post intelligent and well thought through. So in post #52 I addressed first the OP and shared what I voted. Then I pointed out that that companies do use temp agencies to vet prospective employees for permanent hire. Pointing out that certain business realities from state to state inform these practices. And I asked you if this was not the case in your area. For reasons I still don't get, you became immediately defensive. You avoided my question and said you could not understand my comments. So I clarified them in #54. I made myself clear and gave you specifics and exactly what I meant and asked you the same question, again. You then avoided everything I had said to you, twice, and offered this obtuse comment: I never made any argument about laws being followed and never mentioned states.

So for whatever reason instead of the normally thoughtful posts I have seen from you in the past and even placed some likes on, now you can't even follow or address what I have said to you. Even when I patiently explain it to you. Instead you dodge my questions and avoid every point I have made. Instead you post accusations about "lies" and "admissions" you say I have made but that don't actually exist. For whatever reason you are coming across as something more hysterical than thoughtful today and yes at this point I give up. Again. For whatever reason you got real defensive real fast and it has not served you well. :2wave:

Your post is way too long winded, and you're too new for me to care to read it, and you posted untruths about my posts which I already pointed out to you. The correct response should have been "I'm sorry, you didn't ever post anything about state laws and weren't attempting to use state laws in your posts, even though I claimed you did."

Have a lovely day.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

They weigh that against the benefits they'd be required to pay an employee. Benefits tend to be huge expenses.

It's a crapshoot right now tho because the health insurance industry/costs are in freefall. Who knows how it will all settle out? THat may change the cost/benefit of contractors/temp workers.

Yup, not having to pay benefits on workers can also be a cost savings.

There's no standard reason why employers engage temp workers. I've posted why we use them (projects with a definitive end and a need for specific skills). Cost savings is another reason. And yup, with the uncertainty in the healthcare insurance situation, who knows what will happen.

I just can't see how the OP can justify even thinking of getting rid of them.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Exactly the same for me. I don't trust them. They are easy to exploit. And it seems like many companies AND the government using them. Cheating the system. Plus how can you claim you are giving more jobs when they are crappy temp jobs that are not long term?

I think we should aim to create real jobs and reduce employment agencies.

Not all are crappy and some temp jobs pay more than those people who are permanent workers for the company. Traveling nurses are a form of temp jobs yet these nurses get paid more (most places) than the regular employees. True they don't get other benefits, but in some cases they get different benefits, such as housing or money for housing and moving expenses, along with the higher pay.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Your post is way too long winded, and you're too new for me to care to read it, and you posted untruths about my posts which I already pointed out to you. The correct response should have been "I'm sorry, you didn't ever post anything about state laws and weren't attempting to use state laws in your posts, even though I claimed you did."

Have a lovely day.

Was this fear of too many words (seems antithetical to hanging out on a on a debate/message board) the real reason you immediately refused to read or think and became ultra defensive? Or was it the fact that my last post magnified the simplicity of my first two post, that you could not "get" the meaning of and still can't? That must be why you have decided you better depart for higher moral if somewhat illiterate ground. Well you have a nice day too, I'll try to draw pictures for you next time and hope that can cut through the fog better. Obviously too many words in a row presents a genuine challenge to you. Oh hell, who am I kidding, this is probably too many words in a row too. :2wave:
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/the-rise-of-the-permanent-temp-economy/?_r=0

Over the last three years, the temp industry added more jobs in the United States than any other, according to the American Staffing Association, the trade group representing temp recruitment agencies, outsourcing specialists and the like

Do you think we should get rid of or reduce the temp agencies? Do they seem to be part of the problem or solution?

It's a perfect solution for a company that hates getting raped by the government. It's a perfect solution for an individual that can't get a job because companies hate getting raped by the government. Temp agencies are a band aid approach to excessive government regulation.

Eliminate unemployment insurance. Give companies the right to fire people without consequences. Why do we got to play all of these dishonest games? If you hire somebody to paint your house and he does a lousy job should you be legally obligated to let him finish painting your house? The same principle applies for business owners. Why are companies obligated to provide for the well being of their employees? I thought slavery was outlawed in the 1860's yet we still demand to be treated like slaves. It makes no sense. Nobody is my master. I am a free agent to seek employment wherever I wish without reprecussions. My employer is a free agent as well yet companies are given additional restrictions on their ability to seek out their best interests in regards to employment needs. There are other ways to improve economic equality without putting cruel restrictions on the innovators and movers of this world.

I like temp agencies a lot. They help out businesses a lot. They help out individuals who have trouble finding employment. I don't see the downside. However when the economy improves companies will be able to afford the government regulations and won't need to rely on temp agencies. When companies have the final tally on the impact of the Affordable Care Act then these temp agencies won't be needed as much. The Affordable Care Act was the temp agency industry's best friend.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

It's a perfect solution for a company that hates getting raped by the government. It's a perfect solution for an individual that can't get a job because companies hate getting raped by the government. Temp agencies are a band aid approach to excessive government regulation.

Eliminate unemployment insurance. Give companies the right to fire people without consequences. Why do we got to play all of these dishonest games? If you hire somebody to paint your house and he does a lousy job should you be legally obligated to let him finish painting your house? The same principle applies for business owners. Why are companies obligated to provide for the well being of their employees? I thought slavery was outlawed in the 1860's yet we still demand to be treated like slaves. It makes no sense. Nobody is my master. I am a free agent to seek employment wherever I wish without reprecussions. My employer is a free agent as well yet companies are given additional restrictions on their ability to seek out their best interests in regards to employment

People in temp agencies can get unemployment, they are employed by the temp agency. Companies in 'at will work' states can fire anyone they want for any legal reason anytime they want. They invest time and $ training temps too so that is a big reason companies do not just fire people at the drop of a hat.

Employees in any company can leave anytime they want, they are not obligated to stay. They are 'free agents' if they want to be.

Not much of what you wrote is grounded in reality. Maybe in some cases but certainly not as a rule.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Your post is way too long winded, and you're too new for me to care to read it, and you posted untruths about my posts which I already pointed out to you. The correct response should have been "I'm sorry, you didn't ever post anything about state laws and weren't attempting to use state laws in your posts, even though I claimed you did."

Have a lovely day.


You know tres borrrachos I looked through the handful of posts that you could not wrap your noodle around again. Just to be fair and see how you could possibly act so foolishly when just reading and responding to what was actually said to you would have been the advisable path to take. Sorry to say it still does not serve you well at all. That aside there is another problem you have created for yourself. In addition to the childish by the numbers internet evasions, instant defensiveness from you and your pathetic excuse making there is a more glaring problem. You are a liar. Period. A fairly illiterate liar too, going on about supposedly multiple "posted untruths" that never occurred and that was pointed out and explained to you. More than once. Making a hypocrite of yourself by shouting "liar" instead of just engaging in a honest discussion is not a very smart move. So you go ahead and run away, I know if I was lying my ass off and making myself look like a dullard as I did it? I'd probably throw out pathetic excuses and run away on the hypocritical pretext that someone lied about me too. Of course I've never found it necessary to lie about anything for the sake of debate on a board like this. Much less as stupid as what you decided to lie about in order to avoid debate. So run away and live to fight another day. Only next time try to act like the smart accomplished business professional you bill yourself as and leave the idiotic by the numbers internet tropes, excuse making and dishonest lying to typical internet trolls. Doing an accurate impression of one of those does not serve you well either.

Have a lovely lie free day.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Yup, not having to pay benefits on workers can also be a cost savings.

There's no standard reason why employers engage temp workers. I've posted why we use them (projects with a definitive end and a need for specific skills). Cost savings is another reason. And yup, with the uncertainty in the healthcare insurance situation, who knows what will happen.

I just can't see how the OP can justify even thinking of getting rid of them.
GREAT news Lursa! DP's resident business expert has granted a belated "yup" to the points you made earlier. Even though it appears this expert is not as knowledgeable about temp agencies as she claimed, she has decided to grant your knowledge a "yup" rather than run away from what you said or call you a liar. You must not be "too new here" for her to turn her brain on in order to read and "get" what you said. Must be a proud day for you and your family too. :2dancing:
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Why is a useless leech on your paycheck, and under mining workers comp a good thing?

Force them to pay the people $15-20hr. Not some leech. (who then pays min wage)

Simple law.

Temp work is 30 days or less. With no churning allowed.
 
Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

Why is a useless leech on your paycheck, and under mining workers comp a good thing?

Force them to pay the people $15-20hr. Not some leech. (who then pays min wage)

Simple law.

Temp work is 30 days or less. With no churning allowed.

Not true. Many temps work 40hrs a week.
 
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