View Poll Results: Should we reduce or get rid of temp agencies?

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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mavis View Post
    I voted no and wonder what authority or legal precedent does the author of the poll speculate could be used to "get rid" of temp agencies? I've had experience working for two temp agencies and I have used them as an employer. Which is why I have to take exception to some of your comments tres borrachos. All of these details vary from state to state for obvious reasons, right to work laws (or as I like to call them, right to fire) etc. But I have found the practice of using temp agencies to spot potential good employes and hire them full time quite common. It's how I got hired by a fortune 500 company back in 2003 and they still follow the practice, though they also do direct hiring and recruitment at colleges too. This is not the case in your area?
    I have no idea what comments you're taking exception to, and being in a right to work state has nothing to do with my post that you quoted. These "details" don't vary from state to state. Temp employees are paid by their employer, and they also have no idea what the company pays their employer for their labor, nor do the employees of the company paying for their labor have any say in personnel matters unless they are discussing salaries of other people with a senior manager, in which case the senior manager is in violation.
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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's costing your employer a fortune to maintain temps through an agency. No cllue why they'd do that.
    There are probably several reasons why they use temp agencies here is a couple:

    • They have a project that's needs to be done, but they have no need to hire a permanent employees where they would not only pay them a salary but also have to provide benefits.
    • Firing or laying off evmployees is not a simple matter. With a temp, they can simply say don't come here tomorrow and that is it.

    I've worked for a temp agency, they can be very helpful between jobs.


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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There are probably several reasons why they use temp agencies here is a couple:

    • They have a project that's needs to be done, but they have no need to hire a permanent employees where they would not only pay them a salary but also have to provide benefits.
    • Firing or laying off evmployees is not a simple matter. With a temp, they can simply say don't come here tomorrow and that is it.

    I've worked for a temp agency, they can be very helpful between jobs.
    We have certain major projects that are scoped and we bring in temporary help all the time for these projects - Agile developers, engineers, etc. After 18 months, the project is finished. The work is complete. That's why we hire temps.
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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have no idea what comments you're taking exception to, and being in a right to work state has nothing to do with my post that you quoted. These "details" don't vary from state to state. Temp employees are paid by their employer, and they also have no idea what the company pays their employer for their labor, nor do the employees of the company paying for their labor have any say in personnel matters unless they are discussing salaries of other people with a senior manager, in which case the senior manager is in violation.
    I guess I'm taking exception to your argument that the laws and policies that temp agencies follow are not different from state the state. You know, because they are of course. Different from state to state. For example in one state an employee who has been temping for an agency for over a set number of hours might have to be offered health insurance. Whereas the same agency does not have to offer the same to an employee for having temped the same number of hours in another state. There really are a multitude of polices and laws that affect temp agencies and that is what I was pointing to. I'm not clear on how you were confused by that, so I hope this clarification helps. The other thing I said, which I thought was pretty obvious too, was that I have found the practice of using temp agencies to spot potential good employes and hire them as permanent ones quite common. It's how I got hired by a fortune 500 company back in 2003 and they still follow the practice, though they also do direct hiring and recruitment at colleges too. This is not the case in your area?

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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mavis View Post
    I guess I'm taking exception to your argument that the laws and policies that temp agencies follow are not different from state the state. You know, because they are of course. Different from state to state. For example in one state an employee who has been temping for an agency for over a set number of hours might have to be offered health insurance. Whereas the same agency does not have to offer the same to an employee for having temped the same number of hours in another state. There really are a multitude of polices and laws that affect temp agencies and that is what I was pointing to. I'm not clear on how you were confused by that, so I hope this clarification helps. The other thing I said, which I thought was pretty obvious too, was that I have found the practice of using temp agencies to spot potential good employes and hire them as permanent ones quite common. It's how I got hired by a fortune 500 company back in 2003 and they still follow the practice, though they also do direct hiring and recruitment at colleges too. This is not the case in your area?
    I never made any argument about laws being followed and never mentioned states.
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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mavis View Post
    What I find concerning is that we are seeing far too much of the work force being forced into working for temp agencies Helix. It is a symptom of where things stand with our economy and not a good one in my opinion! I know some temp agency horror stories and then I know some great temp agency stories too. What you described is more the company you were temping for screwing you over than the temp agency! I've told many people over the years, if you are temping as a stepping stone to a permanent position someplace for more than a year and half and they are not making serious moves towards hiring you (calling you into HR, doing interviews, etc)? Then you need to move on to some other company if that is what you are using the temp agency job for.
    i was getting verbal reassurances that i would be hired. i didn't have any way to demand more, because i had absolutely no leverage, and i was working a fire at will job in a fire at will state.

    "great job, you're fired" is a piss poor way to run an economy. i don't want my future kids to have to work in a labor market like that. i think there are a couple key problems :

    1. we're in the first stages of a post labor economy. the supply of labor is greater than the need for forty hour a week full time employment.

    2. labor is largely unorganized, and it needs to be organized to counteract managers who do slimy things like what was done to me.

    if we want to keep our job > money > access to resources distribution model, we're going to have to redesign the system to take reality into account. in our current system, it's pretty much pay people to work or pay them not to. i prefer to pay people to work, and if there are more workers than the private sector needs, we should expand the public sector.

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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    [QUOTE=stonewall50;1064216663]http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...-economy/?_r=0

    Over the last three years, the temp industry added more jobs in the United States than any other, according to the American Staffing Association, the trade group representing temp recruitment agencies, outsourcing specialists and the like/QUOTE]

    Do you think we should get rid of or reduce the temp agencies? Do they seem to be part of the problem or solution?
    I think there should be laws in place defining what is temporary worker,ensuring that after a certain number of days temp workers are paid the same in benefits and wages as the regular workers in order to ensuring that companies are not hiring temp workers in order to get around paying the same wages and benefits and laws in place to ensure that companies are not merely using temp workers to get around certain federal or state laws.
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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I never made any argument about laws being followed and never mentioned states.
    Never mind, clearly you won't engage what I said. For whatever reason I can't guess. So pointing out a third time that many employers do in fact hire temps from agencies as a means of interviewing potential job candidates won't get through either.

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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    So, there is a case of abuse, and your solution is to blow up the system?

    You voted for Obama didn't you?
    I didn't take her comments as wanting to "blow up the system" at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That has nothing to do with your employer. Those people have to take it up with their employer. And they have no idea what your employer pays their employer for their labor. And if your employer was going to hire them full time, they would know about this through their employer. Employers don't hire temps from agencies as a means of interviewing job candidates. What kind of business are you in and what is the skill set of these people? By the way, they are supposed to tell their agency that they want to leave and get a better assignment somewhere. They aren't supposed to be discussing it with the employees of the employer who has contracted for their work.
    Actually, yes, they do. Not all, obviously none that you have ever dealt with, but it is common.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    A good portion of my twenties was spent in temporary employment.

    My first temp job was for a manufacturer. This was an employee owned company and they used the temp agency as a sort of probationary period. Usually if you lasted 3 months they'd hire you on full time. Well, 5 months later they finally got around to hiring me on full time but, I was rather insulted by their foot dragging and after I made sure they spent the money on pre employment drug screening and physical I walked out at lunch one day never to return. Lesson? Don't take your temp employees for granted.

    My second temp job was a pool and spa distributor. This was a small shop, 6 employees including the owner. The owner was a verbally abusive schmuck. He had an inventory system only he understood and his entire shop was a safety hazard. One time as I was pulling a pallet off a shelf he failed to tell me it was supporting the contents on the shelf above it and I almost had the entire 4 story rack fall on my head. This was my fault of course. After being chastised in a most uncivilized manner for another instance which was not my fault (it wasn't I swear) I got tire of the verbal abuse and told him I was going to throw him over the balcony off the second floor loft if he spoke to me like that again. I was let go by his foreman at the end of the day.

    At another temp job where they worked you like a Hebrew slave, I had a full time employee speak to me in a manner unbecoming to which I proceeded to throw a box knife at that person's head. I received a phone call the next day telling me my services were no longer required.

    And still, at another temp job where they worked you like a dog I spent 4 months straight working seven days a week sometimes a double shift on the weekends to get hired on full time as the pay rate offered at that time was quite considerable. Well, the Team Lead's daughter was in my cohort and she of course was a shoe in for hire and my dedication and hard work made me a candidate for full time employment. Then, before the hiring processes started for me, the daughter of the Team Lead was hired and it was made known that NOW, after she was hired on the starting pay for the rest of us going to be $4 less an hour. A bomb threat was made on the building one day, (wasn't me, I swear, I was working) and we all were sent home. I never returned. They called me for two weeks begging me to come back and I said, "Nah, that's OK".

    So, idk, what yous tink?
    Interesting. All these weird happenings, and it was always their fault. Uh huh.

    The lesson from your first example is that you're not worthy of a job, hence why I doubt that everything was always the other person's fault.


    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There are probably several reasons why they use temp agencies here is a couple:

    • They have a project that's needs to be done, but they have no need to hire a permanent employees where they would not only pay them a salary but also have to provide benefits.
    • Firing or laying off evmployees is not a simple matter. With a temp, they can simply say don't come here tomorrow and that is it.

    I've worked for a temp agency, they can be very helpful between jobs.
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    Re: Should we get rid of or reduce Temp Agencies?

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    You suggest they have been promised a different arrangement multiple times. Have you heard the phrase, Fool me once, bad on you. Fool me twice, bad on me?

    As I said, if they don't like the terms of their employment, they should find something else to do.

    BTW, I do not believe your they are being paid 2 times less statement.

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    God. Literal people are the most annoying people. I didn't mean LITERALLY two times. I mean, a significant amount less.

    Enjoy taking every statement literally for the rest of your life bro. Meanwhile, normal people pick up on the element of the story.

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