View Poll Results: How will SCOTUS rule on SSM issue?

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  • They'll rule in favor of SSM, but I'm against it.

    3 1.21%
  • They'll rule in favor of SSM, and I'm in favor of it too.

    151 61.13%
  • They'll rule against SSM, and I'm against it as well.

    26 10.53%
  • They'll rule against SSM, but I support SSM rights.

    16 6.48%
  • They won't actually rule on it. Some loop hole will prevent a true decision.

    38 15.38%
  • They'll wuss out and leave it to each state - which is total BS in my mind.

    20 8.10%
  • They'll leave it to each state, as it should be in my opinion.

    17 6.88%
  • other - please explain

    2 0.81%
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Thread: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If that were true then most (if not all) gun control laws would be ruled unconstitutional.
    Have any examples? And if that were true, is that actually a bad thing?

    If SSM is made universal then how can a male only draft law stand?
    First, I am completely against any draft. Second, I would argue that if the draft exists, then women should be included. Third, my claim was a bout state laws, your example is a federal law, making your example irrelevant to my claim.

    How can gender based differences in military "fitness" standards pass muster under equal protection?
    Military fitness standards are not set by states, so this is totally irrelevant to my claim that states do not have the power to strip individuals of constitutionally guaranteed rights. And truly, my claim is simply the reality of the law. The question is not "can states strip individuals of constitutional rights" but "what is counted as a constitutional right?"
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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    If SCOTUS rules in their favor, as imho it will the Republicans will reap a political benefit.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/us...T.nav=top-news

    But another group also saw a possible reason to celebrate if the court does indeed rule that way: Republicans.

    If the high court resolves the issue as expected in June, it could deliver a decision that has the benefit of largely neutralizing a debate that a majority of Americans believe Republicans are on the wrong side of — and well ahead of the party’s 2016 presidential primaries.

    To have the question disposed of and dispensed with, many Republicans say, could make their opinions on the matter largely moot, providing a political escape hatch that gives them an excuse to essentially say: “It’s been settled. Let’s move on.”
    They may want this, but just as with their legacy of racism, i won't be forgetting what they've done anytime soon, nor forgiving - especially when they by and large don't ask for forgiveness. For decades now, it's the party of hate, and that won't be easily discarded.

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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    That's not true. There are intelligent and literate people who notice that the word marriage does not appear within the text of the Constitution and therefore it cannot be a Constitutional right.
    And yet for all their intelligence or literacy, they can't read the ninth amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Freedom of religion does not mean that people cannot shape their beliefs based upon their religion. In fact, that is constitutionally protected. If the legal argument was that SSM should remain illegal because the bible is against it, that would fail, but they start with SSM is bad because the bible says so, and then find legal justification to keep it illegal.
    And they have failed to accomplish this. All of the proposed justifications have been defeated. The only one left now is religious arguments, which are invalid to justify a law stripping people of their civil rights.
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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post

    And they have failed to accomplish this. All of the proposed justifications have been defeated. The only one left now is religious arguments, which are invalid to justify a law stripping people of their civil rights.
    We will not know if they have succeeded at any level until SCOTUS rules.
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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We will not know if they have succeeded at any level until SCOTUS rules.
    They've failed in every other case save for the sixth circuit decision that fairly transparently acknowledged that it had no basis to rule the way it did but decided to anyway.
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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    They've failed in every other case save for the sixth circuit decision that fairly transparently acknowledged that it had no basis to rule the way it did but decided to anyway.
    Maybe the supreme court was finally ready to rule on it, so they asked the 6th circuit to come out against it so they had a case to rule on....

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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Maybe the supreme court was finally ready to rule on it, so they asked the 6th circuit to come out against it so they had a case to rule on....
    If there was no circuit split, the court wouldn't have to rule on it at all. If all they were going to do was uphold the standing circuit decisions, there's no need for that. They could have taken up the last round of appeals. I think we're long past any surprises on this issue.
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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    If there was no circuit split, the court wouldn't have to rule on it at all. If all they were going to do was uphold the standing circuit decisions, there's no need for that. They could have taken up the last round of appeals. I think we're long past any surprises on this issue.
    good point. Just don't know why the 6th court went the way it did go.

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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    good point. Just don't know why the 6th court went the way it did go.
    My guess at the time was that the judges decided to ignore the law and follow their own prejudices. But it might have been intentional to force the supreme court to rule. If there was a plan like that, I think it came from the circuit court and not the supreme court.
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    Re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    My guess at the time was that the judges decided to ignore the law and follow their own prejudices. But it might have been intentional to force the supreme court to rule. If there was a plan like that, I think it came from the circuit court and not the supreme court.
    Makes sense.

    Just hope the SCOTUS finally legalizes it for all.

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