View Poll Results: How will SCOTUS rule on SSM issue?

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  • They'll rule in favor of SSM, but I'm against it.

    3 1.21%
  • They'll rule in favor of SSM, and I'm in favor of it too.

    151 61.13%
  • They'll rule against SSM, and I'm against it as well.

    26 10.53%
  • They'll rule against SSM, but I support SSM rights.

    16 6.48%
  • They won't actually rule on it. Some loop hole will prevent a true decision.

    38 15.38%
  • They'll wuss out and leave it to each state - which is total BS in my mind.

    20 8.10%
  • They'll leave it to each state, as it should be in my opinion.

    17 6.88%
  • other - please explain

    2 0.81%
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Thread: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That a "closely held" corporation can have a religion is beyond reason. If you want the legal separation from personal liability that incorporation offers you then you should (must?) also accept personal religious separation.
    Exactly.

    But I promise not to re-argue it on this thread!

    Unlike Chromium, I don't think it's going to have just a narrow implication, although guess we'll find out as there are more cases in the courts based on Hobby Lobby but trying to extend it.

    Anyway, just like even liberal states can't ignore Hobby Lobby nor Citizens' United, if the SCOTUS says SSM bans are unconstitutional, I don't see the conservative states ignoring it, although I'm sure they will blather about it.

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I do not think that is correct. If a state defining marriage for itself is found to be Constitutionally valid, then in those states where it is "currently legal" only because of a judicial finding that it was not, the decision is overturned.
    If SC was in any way inclined to create this impact, they would have taken the appeals from the states whose bans were overturned by lower courts. Instead they quickly took an appeal of the 6th's ruling the bans are constitutional. Your scenario has 0 chance of happening. At most they could rule that the 4 states in the 6th district can determine marriage laws for themselves, which they won't

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Presumably that compromise ruling would overturn strictly the cases where the definition had been found to violate the U.S. (vice a state) Constitution. In Cali you could probably simply put it back to a vote and win this time. As much as everyone hated on the Mormons last time, it was the African Americans who came out in favor of traditional marriages - the President may have flipped enough of that demographic.
    Typical to blame the outcome for SSM on the president's blackness. Despite obama did not support SSM until well after prop 8, almost half of black CA voters disagreed. But by all means, blame a politician for the fact more and more people are letting you down. At least i will not mask my contempt for the voters in 2004-2008. I won't blame a politician, or race. Saying it was due to lies spread by the mormons is the same to me as blaming the voters themselves.

    Way more than just cali also, by 2016. Estimated 60% of the country will support SSM. I would estimate that if all states had such a vote, all except the bible belt, arizona, and possibly michigan/ohio would legalize it. So roughly the exact same as we have now.

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The 14th Amendment is how we recognized that this is not true, that many times the states do not represent the people, especially not all of the people so it is important to protect the other people from the tyranny of the states over minorities within those states.
    Not recognizing their marriage is not tyranny. It's called maintaining decency.
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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Like they did with Loving or Lawrence? You do realize many have said this before and yet so far very few SCOTUS rulings have ever been really challenged by states, particularly ones like this where people are so sure their state would ignore such a ruling.
    Notice how Texas is making it more difficult to kill the unborn? We can do the same with those trying to usurp marriage.
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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The difference is California grew up and moved on.....like the rest of the country. Marriage equality is now favored by a large majority in California. You can't continue to live in the past.
    More like protecting what's left of the future where there will still be some decent, moral enclaves. I'm not ready to throw in the towel here in TX.
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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    More like protecting what's left of the future where there will still be some decent, moral enclaves. I'm not ready to throw in the towel here in TX.

    I don't know that its possible to have a "decent moral enclave" in a place like Texas....but good luck trying.
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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Notice how Texas is making it more difficult to kill the unborn? We can do the same with those trying to usurp marriage.

    So share with us the plan?

    Will Texas require that all marriages be performed in hospitals and only by medical personnel with admitting privileges for that hospital and this change will be applied to all new marriage licenses issued after the SCOTUS ruling in the summer?



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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Not recognizing their marriage is not tyranny. It's called maintaining decency.
    nah equal protection seems decent so dose same sex marriage

    not letting people get married because you don't like who has what gender seems tyrannical


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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Notice how Texas is making it more difficult to kill the unborn? We can do the same with those trying to usurp marriage.
    but what if you care about people?

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