View Poll Results: How will SCOTUS rule on SSM issue?

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  • They'll rule in favor of SSM, but I'm against it.

    3 1.21%
  • They'll rule in favor of SSM, and I'm in favor of it too.

    151 61.13%
  • They'll rule against SSM, and I'm against it as well.

    26 10.53%
  • They'll rule against SSM, but I support SSM rights.

    16 6.48%
  • They won't actually rule on it. Some loop hole will prevent a true decision.

    38 15.38%
  • They'll wuss out and leave it to each state - which is total BS in my mind.

    20 8.10%
  • They'll leave it to each state, as it should be in my opinion.

    17 6.88%
  • other - please explain

    2 0.81%
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Thread: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The U.S. Constitution gives the Supreme Court a lot of power.
    Yep, even the power to reverse itself with no change in the constitution; which implies that the constitution means whatever the SCOTUS (at that time) says that it does. If SSM was "clearly defined" as a right in 1868 (or was it 1967?) then what took so long for the SCOTUS to discover that "fact"?
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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Which exactly what Kennedy said. He wrote that while states are free to fashion their own rules and regulations regarding marriage, they must do so in a way that does not violate protections guaranteed under the Constitution. This is what set Scalia off on his vitriolic response saying that the writing is on the wall.....which is absolutely is.
    That's similar to what they said about prisoners - prisoners have the right to get married, but the prisons can put in the rules around how the marriages happen.

    Of course, once (hopefully) SSM is legal, any rules the states put in around marriage will affect all couples, not just same sex couples, so they will probably be pretty hesitant to change anything. Although those clerks in Florida don't seem to mind inconveniencing straight couples...

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Presumably that compromise ruling would overturn strictly the cases where the definition had been found to violate the U.S. (vice a state) Constitution. In Cali you could probably simply put it back to a vote and win this time. As much as everyone hated on the Mormons last time, it was the African Americans who came out in favor of traditional marriages - the President may have flipped enough of that demographic.

    In the Prop 8 vote it is true that 58% of African-Americans votes to support the law, but they comprised only 7% of the voting population.

    Compare that with 70% of those who attended religious services on a weekly basis and comprised 45% of the voting population.



    So which had the bigger impact on the outcome, the race of the voter or the religious views of the voter?



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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Presumably that compromise ruling would overturn strictly the cases where the definition had been found to violate the U.S. (vice a state) Constitution. In Cali you could probably simply put it back to a vote and win this time. As much as everyone hated on the Mormons last time, it was the African Americans who came out in favor of traditional marriages - the President may have flipped enough of that demographic.
    The problem that people had with the Mormons and prop 8 was the level of lies and distortions that they engaged in.....and the fact that a church bankrolled the proposition and engaged in clearly unlawful activity to promote their agenda.
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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, even the power to reverse itself with no change in the constitution; which implies that the constitution means whatever the SCOTUS (at that time) says that it does. If SSM was "clearly defined" as a right in 1868 (or was it 1967?) then what took so long for the SCOTUS to discover that "fact"?
    Because they are human and their interpretation of the constitution is heavily biased, like everyone else. No one is saying that "SCOTUS rules SSM a constitutional right, therefore it validates what i believe." Just like opponents will continuing arguing the ruling in june will be wrong, supporters will argue the court was wrong up to that point. The difference is that, over time, the court tends to enhance civil rights. The bigots never will

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep, even the power to reverse itself with no change in the constitution; which implies that the constitution means whatever the SCOTUS (at that time) says that it does. If SSM was "clearly defined" as a right in 1868 (or was it 1967?) then
    what took so long for the SCOTUS to discover that "fact"?




    SCOTUS had what it believed were more important things to do.

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    probably say we shouldn't get comfortable, soon as ginsburg keels obama will be forced to appoint rick santorum to the court, which will then take up the issue again and ban gay marriage nationwide

    and this will all happen within a month, 2 tops
    Oh gawd, if santorum got on the court, not just SSM but also contraception would be banned and we'd be living "the handmaid's tale" (by Atwood) in no time

    Sorry you have such nightmares!

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Like they did with Loving or Lawrence? You do realize many have said this before and yet so far very few SCOTUS rulings have ever been really challenged by states, particularly ones like this where people are so sure their state would ignore such a ruling.
    Agree, it's unlikely they would ignore it when it comes down to it.

    Wish we could ignore Citizens' United or the Hobby Lobby ruling though... sigh.

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    What was wrong with the Hobby Lobby ruling?

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    re: Supreme Court agrees to take on same-sex marriage issue[W:141]

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    SCOTUS had what it believed were more important things to do.
    Yep, like inventing the "disparate impact" test.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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