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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I disagree ... primarily because , as Fiddytree said, there is an unnecessary conflation of radical Islam and Islam.... and extremist Muslim and Muslim.

    listen, I'm a Mormon, and we , like every other church, have their extremists.... I don't mind when folks talk about these asshats as radical Mormons, or extremist Mormons, or even fundamentalist Mormons ( that's what they call themselves)... i do, however, get bent out of shape when they are conflated with mainstream Mormons.

    if we are shooting for accuracy, it's best not to be purposefully inaccurate..... those dudes, and dudes like them,.. are radical extremists Muslims practicing, and doing evil deeds in the name of , radical extremist Islam....

    in any event, it needs to be made clear that this donnybrook is with the radicals, not the mainstream.... but it's wrong to pretend like their wacky radical religious beliefs aren't at the heart of their actions... it's not only wrong, but it's also a lie.


    I do not agree that this is not a lie, as in a deliberate attempt to deceive. As a Christian I too know what its like to be blamed for the asinine views of others who claim the faith, especially those Americans who believe Jesus has given them the right to war on whoever they disagree with. and true faith is NOT at the heart of their actions, but a distorted, perverted truth of invention counter to the teachings of either of our faiths.

    However, here we see a member of the administration of the president of the United States playing word games for purely partisan political purposes, a deliberate attempt to mislead that is far, far more dangerous than "you can keep your plan. period"

    The point the White House should be making is that traditional Islam is NOT a threat, and make it clear with traditional Islam leaders standing at the President's side, promising full co-operation and a cleansing of the radicals in their midst in the US.

    When Obama can bring his "buddies" in and have them face retribution, America will lose a lot of it's fear of Islam and maybe not confuse Sikh and Hindu as Islam. Frankly, with there never having been a "green" on Homeland Security's scale, the usually brave American people aren't sure who their friends are....FFS you have sunk to strip searching Asian women entering from Canada....


    I do not understand....

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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    then the correct response is to correct the people who are thinking inaccurately... not create another lie so the other lie won't bear fruit.... 2 lies don't make a truth.
    It's not a lie (by them) if they believe its true, lies are meant to deceive. I don't believe that's what they are doing. They are trying to correct the notion it's all about Islam. I think by conflating these radicals with Islam is the reason we'll more domestic terrorists, like the shooter at Ft. Hood.

    Where the Christians who burned abortion clinics radical Christians?


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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I do not agree that this is not a lie, as in a deliberate attempt to deceive. As a Christian I too know what its like to be blamed for the asinine views of others who claim the faith, especially those Americans who believe Jesus has given them the right to war on whoever they disagree with. and true faith is NOT at the heart of their actions, but a distorted, perverted truth of invention counter to the teachings of either of our faiths.

    However, here we see a member of the administration of the president of the United States playing word games for purely partisan political purposes, a deliberate attempt to mislead that is far, far more dangerous than "you can keep your plan. period"

    The point the White House should be making is that traditional Islam is NOT a threat, and make it clear with traditional Islam leaders standing at the President's side, promising full co-operation and a cleansing of the radicals in their midst in the US.

    When Obama can bring his "buddies" in and have them face retribution, America will lose a lot of it's fear of Islam and maybe not confuse Sikh and Hindu as Islam. Frankly, with there never having been a "green" on Homeland Security's scale, the usually brave American people aren't sure who their friends are....FFS you have sunk to strip searching Asian women entering from Canada....


    I do not understand....

    When I was in Jr High in the US I learned when you stand up to a bully, risk a beating maybe, you win.
    If this America had been around in 1944, you would all be speaking Japanese/German


    Most people in the USA speak English.

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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    I don't understand the reluctance to call them radical Islamist.
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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It's not a lie (by them) if they believe its true, lies are meant to deceive. I don't believe that's what they are doing. They are trying to correct the notion it's all about Islam. I think by conflating these radicals with Islam is the reason we'll more domestic terrorists, like the shooter at Ft. Hood.

    Where the Christians who burned abortion clinics radical Christians?
    Except it's inherently about Islam. If there was an international epidemic of Christians bombing civil structures out of some radicalized view of Christianity, it would inherently be about Christianity. There's not, so we don't talk about it much. However, those that do it are Christian Radicals or Christian Extremists. Politically we use the term radical or extremist to show disfavor toward their perception, whilst still allowing for the second term to remain strong by itself. If we had simply said Christians or Muslims without the qualifier "extremist" or "radical," then that would in fact be framing the methods and intellectual framework of the attacker as the same as the whole group.

    What the administration is doing is weak-kneed to the core. It's the utter stereotype of the overly sensitive liberal. Ironically, refusing to use the label for the fears you describe is to give the label "Radical Islamist" or "Extremist Islamist" a level of spiritual and political virtue that it was never meant to have to begin with.
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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Wait....

    The "individuals" are "mostly Muslim" but because they do not hold to the traditional views of Islam, they are therefor NOT "Radical Islam". Further they are killing other Muslims, and that means for sure they are neither "radical" nor "Islam".

    Got it.


    And now back to our regularly scheduled reality. Upcoming: A new report shows Libya is terrorist free due to US foreign policy.
    Whatchu talkin bout, Willis? I'm saying (which you quoted me saying) that Obama refuses to call terrorism, "terrorism". Not sure how you got to that.

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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I do not agree that this is not a lie, as in a deliberate attempt to deceive. As a Christian I too know what its like to be blamed for the asinine views of others who claim the faith, especially those Americans who believe Jesus has given them the right to war on whoever they disagree with. and true faith is NOT at the heart of their actions, but a distorted, perverted truth of invention counter to the teachings of either of our faiths.

    However, here we see a member of the administration of the president of the United States playing word games for purely partisan political purposes, a deliberate attempt to mislead that is far, far more dangerous than "you can keep your plan. period"

    The point the White House should be making is that traditional Islam is NOT a threat, and make it clear with traditional Islam leaders standing at the President's side, promising full co-operation and a cleansing of the radicals in their midst in the US.

    When Obama can bring his "buddies" in and have them face retribution, America will lose a lot of it's fear of Islam and maybe not confuse Sikh and Hindu as Islam. Frankly, with there never having been a "green" on Homeland Security's scale, the usually brave American people aren't sure who their friends are....FFS you have sunk to strip searching Asian women entering from Canada....


    I do not understand....

    When I was in Jr High in the US I learned when you stand up to a bully, risk a beating maybe, you win. If this America had been around in 1944, you would all be speaking Japanese/German
    Sorry! Read your other post that you addressed to me, wrong. Please ignore my previous comment!

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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think it's great that you don't mind if some people use the term radical Mormons, but you are just one person and you don't speak for all Mormons. Look at post #3 and tell that person doesn't think all Muslims are bad. And that's the problem today, too many people are blaming Islam for all the things these terrorist do.
    And dishonestly misrepresenting what happened in this instance isn't going to fix that "problem". It simply creates a different set of problems to go along with that one.

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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    This is just painful. It's like that time our genius President called the terrorism at Fort Hood "Work Place Violence".
    Indeed.

    Why is it that one aspect of the political spectrum insists on calling things which they are not, and not calling things as they are?

    “revenue enhancements” instead of “tax increases”
    "undocumented worker" instead of "illegal alien" or worse "Undocumented American" instead of "Illegal alien" (this second one is down right wrong!)
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    Why all this malarky? Playing with the language.
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    Re: Josh Earnest: Wouldn’t Be Accurate to Call Paris Attackers ‘Radical Islamists’

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Except it's inherently about Islam. If there was an international epidemic of Christians bombing civil structures out of some radicalized view of Christianity, it would inherently be about Christianity.
    What is the point of identifying terrorist to a religion whether it Islam or Christianity?

    I say if we hadn't decimated Iraq (a predominately Islamic country) with Bush's phony war, we would not see the terrorism we see today. These terrorists (criminals) are using the "war with Islam" as a rallying cry to recruit more of them. Wars have unintended consequences and this is one of them.


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