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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I agree he followed orders. None of the Weavers should have been shot.
    I got the details slightly wrong. Vicki Weaver was behind door when the bullet aimed at a man running in hit her.

    Of course, the sniper should not have been shooting at someone retreating anyway.

    The Ruby Ridge Case brings up a number of points:

    1) Law enforcement organizations are famous for NOT communicating or cooperating. A civilian who thinks he has some kind of agreement with one LEO is often surprised that another LEO hasn't even heard of it.

    2) Things like killing dogs when involved in a standoff often spark firefights because owners are very sentimental about their dogs.

    But you can't expect a law enforcement officer to risk their lives just to avoid killing a dog.

    3) Domestic law enforcement tends to be too much in love with using informants to provide basic information.

    4) Once a member of law enforcement is killed in any kind of confrontation, it is usually all bets are off regarding procedures. Law enforcement officials naturally feel both afraid and vengeful.

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Except for the fact that he wasn't shooting at Vicki Weaver.
    Are you kidding?

    You REALLY would try to sell that bulls*it?

    He shot at an armed man (while under orders to do so), the bullet went thru him and then killed Weaver.
    Bunk.

    That is a complete falsehood and fabrication.

    Randy was inside, Kevin Harrison had been shot the prior day, the Weaver boy Sammy had been murdered by U.S. Marshal Degan, Harrison dispensed justice on Degan but was shot in the exchange.

    There WERE no other males.

    Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver under orders, as a means of distressing Weaver to end the siege.

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I agree he followed orders. None of the Weavers should have been shot.
    Once Marshal Degan murdered 14 year old Sammy, the chance for a peaceful outcome was zero.

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    I got the details slightly wrong. Vicki Weaver was behind door when the bullet aimed at a man running in hit her.

    Of course, the sniper should not have been shooting at someone retreating anyway.

    The Ruby Ridge Case brings up a number of points:

    1) Law enforcement organizations are famous for NOT communicating or cooperating. A civilian who thinks he has some kind of agreement with one LEO is often surprised that another LEO hasn't even heard of it.

    2) Things like killing dogs when involved in a standoff often spark firefights because owners are very sentimental about their dogs.

    But you can't expect a law enforcement officer to risk their lives just to avoid killing a dog.

    3) Domestic law enforcement tends to be too much in love with using informants to provide basic information.

    4) Once a member of law enforcement is killed in any kind of confrontation, it is usually all bets are off regarding procedures. Law enforcement officials naturally feel both afraid and vengeful.

    Where are you getting this nonsense?

    Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver when she emerged from the cabin to visit her daughter Sarah in the "birthing shack" The Weavers were bizarre, and believed that women on their period had to be separated form the household. The body of Sammy was in the shack as well. Horiuchi testified that Harrison had gone to the shack and his intent was to murder Harrison, but all others testified that only Vicki had left the cabin and had remarked that they would never shoot a woman holding a baby.

    Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncensored2008 View Post
    Where are you getting this nonsense?

    Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver when she emerged from the cabin to visit her daughter Sarah in the "birthing shack" The Weavers were bizarre, and believed that women on their period had to be separated form the household. The body of Sammy was in the shack as well. Horiuchi testified that Harrison had gone to the shack and his intent was to murder Harrison, but all others testified that only Vicki had left the cabin and had remarked that they would never shoot a woman holding a baby.

    Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992
    Completely false.

    Outright lies actually.

    EVERY account I've read is that Vicki Weaver was behind the door when the bullet hit her. The sniper had no knowledge that she was in the line of fire which is why the charges were dismissed despite efforts to prosecute him.

    Never attribute malice where incompetence is more likely.

    Just like the U.S.S. Liberty crazies, there was never a motive for Israel to attack the Liberty.

    There was no motive for the sniper to shoot Vicki Weaver.

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    Completely false.

    Outright lies actually.

    EVERY account I've read is that Vicki Weaver was behind the door when the bullet hit her. The sniper had no knowledge that she was in the line of fire which is why the charges were dismissed despite efforts to prosecute him.

    Never attribute malice where incompetence is more likely.

    Just like the U.S.S. Liberty crazies, there was never a motive for Israel to attack the Liberty.

    There was no motive for the sniper to shoot Vicki Weaver.
    I cite what I claim.

    Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992

    I would call History Channel pretty mainstream.

    Horiuchi claimed he shot her by mistake.

    Harrison, Randy, and Sarah Weaver testified in court that only Vicki had left the cabin.

    My speculation as to why Horiuchi murdered Vicki is simply that he was ordered to. Horiuchi was an assassin, he killed per orders, not for personal reasons. Why he was ordered to, I would speculate was to break the siege by breaking the will of Weaver.

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Snipers and assassins are not the same thing.

    In fact, police snipers in general are the only law enforcement officers allowed to attempt non lethal gunshots (i.e. shooting a person in the hand or shooting their weapon).

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncensored2008 View Post
    I cite what I claim.

    Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992

    I would call History Channel pretty mainstream.

    Horiuchi claimed he shot her by mistake.

    Harrison, Randy, and Sarah Weaver testified in court that only Vicki had left the cabin.

    My speculation as to why Horiuchi murdered Vicki is simply that he was ordered to. Horiuchi was an assassin, he killed per orders, not for personal reasons. Why he was ordered to, I would speculate was to break the siege by breaking the will of Weaver.
    Is that the same History Channel that often airs stuff about alien conspiracies? Or is that another channel?

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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    I voted yes.

    But really, it depends on how you define "trained assassin"

    I mean, many SWAT teams have snipers on them, I expect...how different is a sniper from from an assassin - both are expected to kill key targets assigned by whomever is controlling them.


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    Re: Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Kurt Busch Comments on Ex-Girlfriend Patricia Driscoll in Testimony | Bleacher Report

    This kinda funny story about Kurt Busch and his ex girlfriend, accusing her of being a trained assassin, got me thinking. Do you guys believe that our government has assassins operating within our borders today?


    Am I watching too much Homeland??? It's a great show.
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