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Thread: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

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    Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    A few of our posters seem to think that those who have certain ideologies are moral nihilists. For example, they believe that liberals are moral nihilists and thus liberals believe that nothing is either moral or immoral.

    The definition of moral is below for purposes of this poll:

    moral: Concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

    So the question is, are you personally concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior in regards to your own actions and the goodness or badness of your own character?
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Everyone has morality, I don't think there is a human being no matter how psychotic or how vile they might be have some sense of morality. However I do believe morality is completely subjective to the person based on their upbringing, life experiences, teachings, and social pressure. Humanity just creates special snowflakes like that.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A few of our posters seem to think that those who have certain ideologies are moral nihilists. For example, they believe that liberals are moral nihilists and thus liberals believe that nothing is either moral or immoral.

    The definition of moral is below for purposes of this poll:

    moral: Concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

    So the question is, are you personally concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior in regards to your own actions and the goodness or badness of your own character?
    Quite. More than most. I'm an atheist, and also a nihilist.

    People don't seem to understand what nihilism actually is. Just because I don't think there is a concept in the universe itself for morality does not mean that I don't think there is an ethical standard amongst the human species, and an ideal amongst its individual members. The fact that it is not some sort of "ultimate law" doesn't change anything about practical life, emotion, or empathy as we experience it.

    People just freak out when they hear "nihilism" because they either don't understand it, or it denies them the ability to believe their lives are of some kind of ultimate importance to the universe. It's offensive to the fragile ego.

    There is no contradiction between having ethics and being a nihilist.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Galatians 5:19-21

    Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Quite. More than most. I'm an atheist, and also a nihilist.

    People don't seem to understand what nihilism actually is. Just because I don't think there is a concept in the universe itself for morality does not mean that I don't think there is an ethical standard amongst the human species, and an ideal amongst its individual members. The fact that it is not some sort of "ultimate law" doesn't change anything about practical life, emotion, or empathy as we experience it.

    People just freak out when they hear "nihilism" because they either don't understand it, or it denies them the ability to believe their lives are of some kind of ultimate importance to the universe. It's offensive to the fragile ego.

    There is no contradiction between having ethics and being a nihilist.
    Its my understanding that moral nihilism means that nothing is either inherently moral or immoral. What you describe above looks to me more like a variant of moral relativism.
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Its my understanding that moral nihilism means that nothing is either inherently moral or immoral. What you describe above looks to me more like a variant of moral relativism.
    Not exactly. Moral relativism allows morals to be "true" relative to whatever is judging them -- the culture, usually.

    Nihilism denies that any moral judgment can ever be "true" -- something that is "true" only relatively is not actually "true." "True" implies "factual," and something cannot be factual, subjectively. In essence, all morals are constructed.

    However, nihilism does not deny the utility of constructed morals, given the way humans are wired, and wired to each other. They just aren't "true" in an objective sense, i.e. in the context of the greater reality beyond the way humans see the world, or even how humans see individual situations.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A few of our posters seem to think that those who have certain ideologies are moral nihilists. For example, they believe that liberals are moral nihilists and thus liberals believe that nothing is either moral or immoral.

    The definition of moral is below for purposes of this poll:

    moral: Concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character.

    So the question is, are you personally concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior in regards to your own actions and the goodness or badness of your own character?
    I have a VERY STRONG sense of right and wrong and often do things to my personal disadvantage for the sake of that code.

    The base of it is a combination of "do as little harm as possible" and "have a sense of honor, humility, and integrity"

    I wouldn't feel complete as a person if i wasn't constantly pursing that.
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A few of our posters seem to think that those who have certain ideologies are moral nihilists.
    I think many lefties are.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Quite. More than most. I'm an atheist, and also a nihilist.

    People don't seem to understand what nihilism actually is. Just because I don't think there is a concept in the universe itself for morality does not mean that I don't think there is an ethical standard amongst the human species, and an ideal amongst its individual members. The fact that it is not some sort of "ultimate law" doesn't change anything about practical life, emotion, or empathy as we experience it.

    People just freak out when they hear "nihilism" because they either don't understand it, or it denies them the ability to believe their lives are of some kind of ultimate importance to the universe. It's offensive to the fragile ego.

    There is no contradiction between having ethics and being a nihilist.
    That is a bit argumentative. To be a nihilist means to be the ultimate skeptic, which also means to question life as having any objective meaning, any defined purpose, or have any intrinsic value at all. By extension to engage in that level of skepticism also means to question any and all sources of ethics including self derived ethics. The reason is to be the ultimate skeptic often means to question all that humanity comes up with as standards for social behavior (or control) regardless of source. That does not mean that rejection of systems of belief (theism) equates in itself to nihilism, but it does mean that having an ethical standard and being a nihilist are opposing forces. Why would you suggest having an ethical standard, no matter the source, if nihilism is all about rejection of life having objective meaning?
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Who ever voted NO should probably go into politics
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