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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Everyone has morality, I don't think there is a human being no matter how psychotic or how vile they might be have some sense of morality. However I do believe morality is completely subjective to the person based on their upbringing, life experiences, teachings, and social pressure. Humanity just creates special snowflakes like that.
    pretty much this
    all though i dont agree its "everyone I do agree its "vast majority", there are some psychopaths that are completely broken

    and yes regardless, the fact remains morals are subjective
    while they may be objective per the individual, they are still subjective in reality and that fact wont change
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post



    What does the quantity of sexual partners a person has have to do with morality?

    My point is it doesn't.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Galatians 5:19-21

    Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    My observation is that people that make statements like the one you did above are blindly partisan.
    I'm blindly partisan because I spoke (truthfully) against your party?


    {My morality, the morality of reason, is contained in a single axiom: existence exists—and in a single choice: to live. The rest proceeds from these. To live, man must hold three things as the supreme and ruling values of his life: Reason—Purpose—Self-esteem. Reason, as his only tool of knowledge—Purpose, as his choice of the happiness which that tool must proceed to achieve—Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living. These three values imply and require all of man’s virtues, and all his virtues pertain to the relation of existence and consciousness: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride.} - Ayn Rand

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag View Post
    2 things.
    1 As individuals your morals can tell you and often do to consider others.
    2. Societal morals exist and are also subjective. Societal morals are those generally agreed upon by the majority of a society. So yes it is important within that society but may be different between societies.
    These change depending on where/when you are talking about. If they change they are subjective.
    This is why for example, stoning a woman for infedelity is/was moral in some societies but isnt in modern western society.
    Yes, so basically there is a certain amount of agreement between people on what is moral an what is not, but if morals are truly subjective then it would follow that this is just a result of social pressures and if those social pressures were different in a given society then the agreement on that issue will likely be different. See, this just shows how useless the concept truly is. If right and wrong are just opinion then neither society is in the right and neither society is in the wrong and thus there is no such thing as humane treatment or inhumane treatment and therefore no such thing as a justified human right declaration by any society nor can there ever be. Every last law or rule that has ever been or ever will is forever tyranny. The only logical choice therefore is to never act on moral views.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, so basically there is a certain amount of agreement between people on what is moral an what is not,
    Yup
    but if morals are truly subjective then it would follow that this is just a result of social pressures and if those social pressures were different in a given society then the agreement on that issue will likely be different.
    Nope I would say it has more to do with societal conditioning and upbringing than pessures.
    Pressures can make you act a certain way, morals are the way you would act without pressure.

    See, this just shows how useless the concept truly is. If right and wrong are just opinion then neither society is in the right and neither society is in the wrong and thus there is no such thing as humane treatment or inhumane treatment
    Yes there such a thing as humane and inhumane, though we are digressing as morals are not the same as humane and inhumane treatment.
    Not really sure how you made the leap from no society being right or wrong (they are, each society sees this from their point of view) to humane and inhumane treatment.
    Back to morals, they arent universal to humanity, they are dependant upon a society. If they were universal then we could say they were absolute, they arent and we dont.

    and therefore no such thing as a justified human right declaration by any society nor can there ever be.
    I dont follow if every society has their morals why can`t they declare their perceptions of human rights?

    Every last law or rule that has ever been or ever will is forever tyranny.
    Why?
    The only logical choice therefore is to never act on moral views.
    The previous 2 questions must be answered before even bothering with this one.
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Isn't that question pretty much the title of this thread?
    Not at all. The question is do you personally believe in a moral code. Not what that moral code is. On some issues such as sexual morality, it is fairly subjective. Others such as honesty, stealing, murder, are not subjective.
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uncensored2008 View Post
    I'm blindly partisan because I spoke (truthfully) against your party?


    {My morality, the morality of reason, is contained in a single axiom: existence exists—and in a single choice: to live. The rest proceeds from these. To live, man must hold three things as the supreme and ruling values of his life: Reason—Purpose—Self-esteem. Reason, as his only tool of knowledge—Purpose, as his choice of the happiness which that tool must proceed to achieve—Self-esteem, as his inviolate certainty that his mind is competent to think and his person is worthy of happiness, which means: is worthy of living. These three values imply and require all of man’s virtues, and all his virtues pertain to the relation of existence and consciousness: rationality, independence, integrity, honesty, justice, productiveness, pride.} - Ayn Rand
    And you fail to realize that even Ayn Rand would not have agreed with your blanket partisan assessment. She saw those she disagreed with as being wrong, not always immoral.
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If morality is truly subjective then it doesn't exist in any meaningful way and you probably shouldn't use it for anything.
    Why? Agreeing with everyone else that killing people is bad makes for a much better society. Morals are subjective, but they serve a very real purpose.
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