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Thread: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am just demonstrating that most people have morals and a conscience. I don't think there is any correlation at all between political ideology (excluding extremists) and personal sense of morality and conscience. By and large, most people are good and decent people regardless of their politics.
    I'd argue that most people are, at the very least, mostly harmless, and willing to "go with the flow" and "play nice" so long as it works to their benefit. That much is simple human nature. Whether they are "good" or not really depends on the person in question and their actions.

    I do agree, however, that political leaning has little to do with it one way or the other.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Quite. More than most. I'm an atheist, and also a nihilist.

    People don't seem to understand what nihilism actually is. Just because I don't think there is a concept in the universe itself for morality does not mean that I don't think there is an ethical standard amongst the human species, and an ideal amongst its individual members. The fact that it is not some sort of "ultimate law" doesn't change anything about practical life, emotion, or empathy as we experience it.

    People just freak out when they hear "nihilism" because they either don't understand it, or it denies them the ability to believe their lives are of some kind of ultimate importance to the universe. It's offensive to the fragile ego.

    There is no contradiction between having ethics and being a nihilist.
    For a nihilist.... isn't the best thing for them is to promote communal morality and you give off the same perception of said morality... but then you take advantage of the moral when you can without being caught.

    That's whats most rational, be in support of said rules and rights, but only follow them when convenient for yourself

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Galatians 5:19-21

    Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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    Did someone say drunken sorcery?

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Do you believe in morality?
    No, I don't believe morality exists, I know morality exists. Morality is any self-imposed rule, and people impose all kinds of rules on themselves all the time.

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    Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?
    Shades of grey.

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    So the question is, are you personally concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior in regards to your own actions and the goodness or badness of your own character?
    I don't judge my actions on the right/wrong dynamic, so no. I judge my actions on risk/reward.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That is an issue of conscience though. Most people do the right thing because of their conscience, that is unless they can rationalize it somehow and humans are great at rationalization.
    Most people then have a moral compass its called your conscience. Seriously you dont need to invoke religious beliefs or anything, to know that killing everybody in McDonalds is wrong.
    If people did not have a moral compass built into their brains then there would be no such thing as civilization, because humans would have never evolved that far because we would have killed off the last human just because we were bored.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Most people then have a moral compass its called your conscience. Seriously you dont need to invoke religious beliefs or anything, to know that killing everybody in McDonalds is wrong.
    That would depend on who is in the McDonnalds.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    For a nihilist.... isn't the best thing for them is to promote communal morality and you give off the same perception of said morality... but then you take advantage of the moral when you can without being caught.

    That's whats most rational, be in support of said rules and rights, but only follow them when convenient for yourself
    Are you asking what most of them believe...? Because no, that's certainly not it.

    No matter how many times the frightened absolutists scream that everyone else is a sociopath, it still isn't going to make it true. Sorry, dude. We're just as human, and just as likely to be honest and compassionate people as everyone else. I do apologise -- I know how hard it makes it for you to think in black and white.

    Hell, if anything, without having our morality reduced to some kind of punisher god or egotistical need to believe our judgmentals are absolute for our own sense of security, relativists and nihilists tend to be a lot more concerned with morality in my experience, especially their own.

    But I will say I am quite openly anti-"law and order" absolutism. People who base their morality and compassion on nothing but law are just sheep, willing to sacrifice the well-being of others for simple obedience and a personal sense of superiority. I openly support defiance of cruel and anti-human dignity laws, and civil disobediance as a valid path to take towards a more humane society.
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Looks like we have a lot of anonymous NO votes.
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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Everybody knows right from wrong. The trick is to convince yourself that others are not as important as you are. That is really the crux of faith in a higher power. Understanding that you are not the pinnacle of your existence and that you will be judged for what you have done gives you the perspective that the person next to you (or anywhere else) is as real as you are. Once you convince yourself that there is no higher power and that the only real player in your story is you, that everyone and everything else are just extras in your own movie, you give yourself permission to act in ways you would not want others to act toward you. Not to say that all nihilists are selfish and evil, but if you want to be convincing yourself that you alone are in the spotlight is a good place to start.

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    Re: Do you have a personal concept of right and wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Galatians 5:19-21

    Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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    What if the 'kingdom of god' turns out to be a box in a small bit of ground and no thing more? It seems a perversion of greed to claim that behaving a certain way and not having earthy delights will have you slathered in 'heavenly' ones where streets are paved with gold and there is some 'higher' reward...

    Sounds like a bribe to me...

    I've met good folks who are not christian or accepted in quite a few houses of Gawd.... mostly gay folks... but they have a rather well developed sense of right and wrong.

    Courts show routinely people who are not christian show a sense of right and wrong by their actions after a crime.

    (but it also shows many so-called christians commit the same crimes so go figure)

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