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Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

Has Saul Alinsky influenced your beliefs?


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A few of our posters seem to think that anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan is a acolyte of Saul Alinksy. Has the writings, work, or anything that Saul Alinsky did at any point in his life from his birth to his death influenced your beliefs in any way at all?
 
Myth at best, avoidance at worse. Just because one is left of Ronald Reagan does not means they subscribe to Saul Alinksy.
 
My personal set of beliefs and morals were firmly in place before I knew who Saul Alinsky even was.
 
Why not post the 'Rules for Radicals' for comparative purposes?

Here is the complete list from Alinsky.

* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)


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http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals
 
Myth at best, avoidance at worse. Just because one is left of Ronald Reagan does not means they subscribe to Saul Alinksy.

My point in the poll is that who even heard of the guy until right wing talk radio made an issue of him back in the 2008 campaign. I think some of the hacks on here don't seem to get that most people arrive at their personal ideological beliefs on their own and their personal ideology is more a reflection of their personality and personal values than it is what some radical did or wrote.
 
My personal set of beliefs and morals were firmly in place before I knew who Saul Alinsky even was.

I believe this to be true for me also. [or Reagan for that matter]
 
My values were in place probably firmly when I was 12 and I decided to sit down and decide who I was (with revisions as I learned more info, but my core is the same). I had not heard of this Saul person until Barack Obama was up for election.

To be quite honest, I don't know who this Saul person is nor do I care.
 
My personal set of beliefs and morals were firmly in place before I knew who Saul Alinsky even was.

Same here, moreover they are constantly evolving.
 
Same here, moreover they are constantly evolving.

Mine are as well. I can say with 100% certainty that Saul Alinsky has had zero influence on any thought I've ever had. The right's obsession with him is hilarious to me.
 
My point in the poll is that who even heard of the guy until right wing talk radio made an issue of him back in the 2008 campaign. I think some of the hacks on here don't seem to get that most people arrive at their personal ideological beliefs on their own and their personal ideology is more a reflection of their personality and personal values than it is what some radical did or wrote.

What about wanna-be presidential candidates/

Letter From Hillary Clinton to Saul Alinsky Reveals Close Relationship
 
My values were in place probably firmly when I was 12 and I decided to sit down and decide who I was (with revisions as I learned more info, but my core is the same). I had not heard of this Saul person until Barack Obama was up for election.

To be quite honest, I don't know who this Saul person is nor do I care.

12? There's no way.
 
Interesting but Ill bet those who influenced you were in fact influenced by Alinsky. Theres nothing new under the son.

I can unequivocally tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
12? There's no way.

My (real as tested by professionals, not some fly by night internet thing) IQ is in the high 140s to mid 150s (multiple tests over a few years), I am more than capable of making these types of decisions at an earlier stage in my life than most people are.
 
Mine are as well. I can say with 100% certainty that Saul Alinsky has had zero influence on any thought I've ever had. The right's obsession with him is hilarious to me.

Although I heard the Saul Alinsky drinking game is fun.:lamo
 
My (real as tested by professionals, not some fly by night internet thing) IQ is in the high 140s to mid 150s (multiple tests over a few years), I am more than capable of making these types of decisions at an earlier stage in my life than most people are.

Alright Sheldon...IMO there's no way you were mature enough to decide for yourself at 12. 25 maybe.
 
Alright Sheldon...IMO there's no way you were mature enough to decide for yourself at 12. 25 maybe.

You are free to hold your opinion, but its wrong.
 
A few of our posters seem to think that anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan is a acolyte of Saul Alinksy. Has the writings, work, or anything that Saul Alinsky did at any point in his life from his birth to his death influenced your beliefs in any way at all?

He is little more than someone who took Sun Tzu's Art of War and repackaged it in modern propaganda.
 
The other thread you started this morning flies in the face of what you say here. I'm I wrong?

It doesn't because I uphold my morality even when I am my low state. I just get flooded with awful memories.
 
My point in the poll is that who even heard of the guy until right wing talk radio made an issue of him back in the 2008 campaign. I think some of the hacks on here don't seem to get that most people arrive at their personal ideological beliefs on their own and their personal ideology is more a reflection of their personality and personal values than it is what some radical did or wrote.

Probably so, but that is what the business model for right wing radio demands. Make a decreasing demographic increasingly angry with political opposition positions on matters of importance by also making them afraid using any and all examples one can find. That is ratings, inflicting concern and anger.
 
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