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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    I've never heard of Saul Alinsky before today.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I've never heard of Saul Alinsky before today.
    You people are obviously not Glen Beck fans.

    Back when Beck was on Fox, he spent two months ranting about Saul Alinsky.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    12? There's no way.
    Actually, I believe him. That was probably only a year or two ago.

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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I would bet Alinsky influenced more people on right than on the left. I never heard of the guy until a conservative told me about him.
    Alinsky is circuitous to many lefties. You don't know enough to know the people that influenced you were in fact heavily influenced by Alinsky.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Alinsky is circir circuitous to many lefties. You don't know enough to know the people that influenced you were in fact heavily influenced by Alinsky.
    Many righties too. And since the tactics are actually older than dirt, pretty much every one is influenced by them. So in your thread on this, where you ignorant of this, or where you being dishonest?
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Alinsky is circir circuitous to many lefties. You don't know enough to know the people that influenced you were in fact heavily influenced by Alinsky.
    Alinsky's most important text was published in 1971. Most of the foundational members of the New Left had come of age in the early 1960s and were already influenced by other figures: C. Wright Mills, Claude Levi Straus, Allen Ginsberg, Bertrand Russell, and so on. Direct action protests and community organizing were hardly Alinsky's creation or even popularized by him. The community action programs (and their downfall) of the mid-1960s predate publication and dissemination by several years.

    Conservatives make a mistake in focusing so disproportionately on Alinsky, when Alinsky borrowed heavily from Machiavelli and Sun Tzu. Many of Alinsky's observations were hardly original and had been incredibly basic formulations of political philosophy, put into practice for centuries. Sure, some well-known community organizing groups were directly influenced by Alinsky, but how he became the focal point of modern Leftism for conservatives is quite amusing.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Many righties too. And since the tactics are actually older than dirt, pretty much every one is influenced by them. So in your thread on this, where you ignorant of this, or where you being dishonest?
    Leftism is old as dirt as well, no new ideas, just the same rehashed class struggle and critical theory.

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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Alinsky's most important text was published in 1971. Most of the foundational members of the New Left had come of age in the early 1960s and were already influenced by other figures: C. Wright Mills, Claude Levi Straus, Allen Ginsberg, Bertrand Russell, and so on. Direct action protests and community organizing were hardly Alinsky's creation or even popularized by him. The community action programs (and their downfall) of the mid-1960s predate publication and dissemination by several years.

    Conservatives make a mistake in focusing so disproportionately on Alinsky, when Alinsky borrowed heavily from Machiavelli and Sun Tzu. Many of Alinsky's observations were hardly original and had been incredibly basic formulations of political philosophy, put into practice for centuries. Sure, some well-known community organizing groups were directly influenced by Alinsky, but how he became the focal point of modern Leftism for conservatives is quite amusing.
    Alinsky was already well known by the early 70's. His influence goes back much longer. And that influence impacted many prominent lefties.

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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Leftism is old as dirt as well, no new ideas, just the same rehashed class struggle and critical theory.
    So instead of manning up and answering the question, you run away leaving a trail of tired cliches behind you.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Alinsky was already well known by the early 70's. His influence goes back much longer. And that influence impacted many prominent lefties.
    That's fantastic, but you're quoting a book that was published one year before his death and had hardly been a unique presence in the intellectual discussion surrounding protest and political philosophy.

    I just felt the need to remind you that you conservatives have been so insulated from intellectual history that when someone tells you about Alinsky, you feel as though it was a revelation on the Left. It wasn't.
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