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Thread: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It certainly would. But I think not until recently?
    Right around the Contract with America.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I don't know. I can't think of many examples popping up, like it is possible to list off for those on the left.
    I doubt that many on the right would readily admit to it, especially since he is now somewhat villianized by "the right". Logic and common sense kinda suggest that many did. We do know that both Adam Drandom, the head of Freedomworks, and Dick Armey have passed out copies of Rules for Radicals to their workers, and the Tea Party movement looks very much like an Alinsky type grassroots group(oh lord do they, something which would embarrass so many of them).
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Right around the Contract with America.
    Good example actually. When referring to Gingrich, I was more thinking the GOPAC tapes, but yours works well, and is much better known.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Truth be told, it's still on my list of "to read." So no.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Why not post the 'Rules for Radicals' for comparative purposes?

    Here is the complete list from Alinsky.

    * RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

    * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

    * RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)


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    http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activis...s-for-radicals
    Here's something to think about.

    Anyone who has read and learned from Niccolo Machiavelli or Sun Tzu finds much of Saul Alinsky in better form.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Good example actually. When referring to Gingrich, I was more thinking the GOPAC tapes, but yours works well, and is much better known.
    The "never speak ill of another republican" and gingrich's "power words" list are both cynical manipulations.

    If your side never criticizes itself, and the other side does, it must mean your side is actually right and there isn't just a ban on criticizing each other on your side.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The "never speak ill of another republican" and gingrich's "power words" list are both cynical manipulations.

    If your side never criticizes itself, and the other side does, it must mean your side is actually right and there isn't just a ban on criticizing each other on your side.
    The "power words" was my specific original thinking. Ironically, I did read the list and learned from it. Newt is right, how you speak about something does influence others. The idea that we should not learn from some people is one of those ideas I never could understand. Why is it somehow terrible that people learned from a successful community organizer?
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Interesting but Ill bet those who influenced you were in fact influenced by Alinsky. Theres nothing new under the son.
    I would bet Alinsky influenced more people on right than on the left. I never heard of the guy until a conservative told me about him.


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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I would bet Alinsky influenced more people on right than on the left. I never heard of the guy until a conservative told me about him.
    Half of the college freshmen and sophomores out there had been exposed to Alinsky's thoughts through the works of philosophers from hundreds of years ago. I don't quite get the allure.
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    Re: Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

    It's all about getting to those conservatives who remember the civil rights era and Alinsky. They tie those "values" to Obama the "community organizer" to rally them against him because he represents everything they were told to hate.

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