View Poll Results: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

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  • Seems childish

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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure somewhere somebody thought the ice bucket challenge thing was a waste of time too.

    Who knows. A worldwide non-violent protest in the name of free speech might have a positive effect.

    The question is, would it make anything worse?
    It could possibly make things worse and prompt the crazy fundamentalists to increase the frequency and magnitude of their responses. Though that shouldn't be cause for someone to stop exercising rights and freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, I am aware, that's why I asked you: In what context would you not find a repetition of said statement racist? I mean, if Obama got called a monkey by Stormfront, and Stan Lee decided to draw Obama as a monkey, would it not be racist? As I said, these cartoons when taken at face value are depictions of what the mostly White French cultural elite feel they are entitled to say because they occasionally make fun of themselves. I don't disagree that they have a right to say it, but I won't pretend it's not racist either.
    Don't take my word for it. Watch what the president of SOS Racisme has to say about Charlie Hebdo.

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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It could possibly make things worse and prompt the crazy fundamentalists to increase the frequency and magnitude of their responses. Though that shouldn't be cause for someone to stop exercising rights and freedom.
    Or, they see that billions and billions support free speech and will not cower to religious subjugation and they turn their efforts towards something more productive.

    Who knows.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Don't take my word for it. Watch what the president of SOS Racisme has to say about Charlie Hebdo.

    "Charlie Hebdo, le plus grand hebdomadaire anti-raciste" - Video
    SOS Racisme? Do you know their history with the Socialist Party in France and quotas? The people who have problem "fighting" anti-semitism but will support islamophobia? Forgive if I don't take their opinion on who is and isn't racist with anything but a grain of salt. These are the sorts I was discussing. I saw the video and it doesn't change my opinion. People like this coming to the defense of CH are just part of the mostly white French cultural elite who feel that if someone sometimes says something mean about a white person, racism should become palatable to minorities.* That simply doesn't hold true for me in the least bit because I see it as a continuation of a larger xenophobic and racist tradition within media.

    *(Granted, the speaker wasn't white then again - their Republican views on meritocracy and message wouldn't gather many donations if the figurehead was a white French man)
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Annoyed people are preferred over dead people. Every time.
    False dichotomy. The only people who actually want to kill us - the radical ISIS types - are going to want to kill us regardless of what we do or don't do.
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    SOS Racisme? Do you know their history with the Socialist Party in France and quotas? The people who have problem "fighting" anti-semitism but will support islamophobia? Forgive if I don't take their opinion on who is and isn't racist with anything but a grain of salt. These are the sorts I was discussing. I saw the video and it doesn't change my opinion. People like this coming to the defense of CH are just part of the mostly white French cultural elite who feel that if someone sometimes says something mean about a white person, racism should become palatable to minorities.* That simply doesn't hold true for me in the least bit because I see it as a continuation of a larger xenophobic and racist tradition within media.

    *(Granted, the speaker wasn't white then again - their Republican views on meritocracy and message wouldn't gather many donations if the figurehead was a white French man)
    The figure head is a white French man. The organisation was founded by Bernard Henri Levy.

    Anyway, all I'm saying is that CH was the opposite of racist. I know that we disagree on that and that's fine. They do have a very specific, very French style that does not translate well outside its borders and even within the country they are highly controversial. I think you misinterpret their intentions and assign them some nefarious agenda that they simply are not a part of.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Or, they see that billions and billions support free speech and will not cower to religious subjugation and they turn their efforts towards something more productive.

    Who knows.
    Indeed, it's possible. Though I doubt that terrorists are rational. But as I said, just because it could turn out badly is no reason to avoid trying it in this case.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Free speech always has some regulation with you people.
    "You people"?

    There is nothing on earth that is sacred absolutely, there is nothing on earth that should be above the law. If a journalists writes something with the express purpose to incite violence towards a certain person/a group of people then at least a court has to be able to look at whether or not a law has been broken.

    If you slander/defame someone in the US you also can be held accountable (even though in the US the level of evidence needs to be very high to get this kind of conviction). And in several states it is possible to be prosecuted for criminal defamation.

    Free speech should not be absolute, you cannot hide behind the law as a journalist if you rile people up to commit crimes or murder. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and absolute freedom of speech can be absolutely dangerous if it is not done responsibly.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Please. Don't blasphemers deserve to die? Those dogs who were slaughtered were enemies of the Faith. I find your suggestions that the acts you mention are anything worse than an ardent expression of religious belief to be very offensive. And as I'm sure you'd agree, speech which offends anyone should never be tolerated.
    Read it again. I think you might be struggling with some comprehension problems.

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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    yes - because killing people because people are killing people makes a ton of sense.
    Along with the cartoon, do you suggest sticking out your tongue and making a funny face as well? If you are going to quote me, quote me.

    There is a point to my statement. Suddenly people are acting like Facebook posts, tweets and instagram posts are meaningful. They are nonsense and not meaningful. Michele Obama tweeted something about "our girls", when Boko Haram kidnapped the young women in Africa, as if it were meaningful and would result in anyones safety. Nobody cares about a tweet. ISIS could care less about the cartoon in their quest of territory in an attempt to build a caliphate. In the long run the pencil is not more powerful than smart bombs and bullets and the people who are stoning, burning and crucifying Christians, raping women and marrying little girls could make the world a better place by being blown to bits.
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