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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Not hiding perse, they were more like... putting on display. That which they were putting on display was the casual French bigotry, racism and xenophobia towards all of those who aren't entirely French. The same Muslims who they had no problems slaughtering in Algeria, the blacks who they have no problem enslaving for years were the ones they casually attacked in their pages. It is a magazine that gave a voice to the mostly white academic class in France that finds no problem punching down. I won't pretend like they were some beacon for an important form of free speech, they are a racist and xenophobic publication whose entire raison d'Ítre was the offense of other groups. Sure, their freedom of speech should be defended but it's not as if these people will be considered anything but racist and xenophobic a 100 years from now. Sort of like the cartoons I posted.
    You're wrong about CH. I don't think you understand them at all. These guys were ultra left wing hippies. Children of the "Mai 68" revolution. Anti-establishment, anti-religion, anti-capitalism, anti-authority, anti-Western imperialism. White academics hate CH as much as any other group they made fun of. There is nothing inherently racist or xenophobic in any of their cartoons. If there was, they would have been shut down under French anti-racism laws. The very same government who is now hailing them as heroes tried repeatedly to shut them down. And failed miserably. Some of the CH survivors working on the upcoming issue, are reportedly nauseated by this display of support from countless people who attacked them in the past. If I remember correctly, you speak French. I urge you to look up the entirety of their work, put it in the context in which it was published and you will see that they treated everyone, white, black, muslim, christian, Jewish, man and women in the exact same offensive way. There is a story behind each cartoon. There is a specific context behind each caricature. I hated their work and thought their humor too crass and crude, but I've never seen anything racist or xenophobic in them. Not a single cartoon elevated one race over another, or one ethnicity over another. They made fun of ethnic French people with the same vitriol they directed at everyone else they thought deserved their weekly scorn.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I certainly hope you're not suggesting that the jihadists who destroyed those ancient Buddhas that had been carved into the stone in Afghanistan were showing disrespect for any other religion! Since when is firing artillery rounds at ancient religious art anything but a show of tolerance and respect?
    If the media was smart they would bring this up.They would highlight all the disrespect die hard Muslims have shown towards other religions.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    We Australians are not American or French and this type of thing is illegal in Australia. Charlie Hedbo could not have published his trash in Australia or he would have been arrested. We have laws that make his type of trash illegal. In Australia you cannot use media to insult or humiliate people.

    Do you French and Americans want to start insulting Aboriginals do you? If you have such freedom to be obnoxious then what is all the fuss over the Redskins logo?

    Is attacking African Americans with media an act of freedom and artistic expression? This is what the world has come to with USA leading and France as "the capital of the world" is it? You French and Americans have the right to be offensive, obnoxious and provocative and this is freedom is it? Well not in Australia. Us Aussies disagree with your uncivilized idea of freedom.
    Really????

    https://www.google.com/search?q=aust...0QsAQ#imgdii=_

    Lots of cartoons there that look pretty insulting to me...
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by spangledbanner View Post
    We Australians are not American or French and this type of thing is illegal in Australia. Charlie Hedbo could not have published his trash in Australia or he would have been arrested. We have laws that make his type of trash illegal. In Australia you cannot use media to insult or humiliate people.

    Do you French and Americans want to start insulting Aboriginals do you? If you have such freedom to be obnoxious then what is all the fuss over the Redskins logo?

    Is attacking African Americans with media an act of freedom and artistic expression? This is what the world has come to with USA leading and France as "the capital of the world" is it? You French and Americans have the right to be offensive, obnoxious and provocative and this is freedom is it? Well not in Australia. Us Aussies disagree with your uncivilized idea of freedom.
    Wasn't the Australian solution to the "problem" of the aborigines pretty much just shoot them all???
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It's predictable at times like this that leftist America-haters will show their true colors. Watch how they run this country and its culture down, and it becomes clear they don't have much more time for America, or for Western Civilization in general, than Muslim jihadists do. It's clear some of them are also driven by lack of nerve--they imagine that if they bow and do as these subhuman jihadist bastards tell them, they will be nice to us.

    For anyone who hasn't read it, I'd again like to recommend an excellent and eye-opening book by Andy McCarthy, "The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America." The "grand jihad" is taken from a phrase in a strategy document written some years ago by one of the many Muslim Brotherhood front groups operating in the U.S. CAIR, though this was not its document, is probably the best known of these fronts. As Secretary of State, one prominent leftist, Hillary "The Belle of Benghazi" Clinton, was heavily involved with various Islamist organizations in efforts to find ways to suppress speech offensive to Muslims. To someone who knows about all that, it's not surprising this President sent only our Ambassador to the recent demonstration in Paris. B. Hussein Obama, in his heart of hearts, probably thinks those smart-mouthed white people at Charlie Hebdo got just what they were asking for.

    Mrs. Clinton also was heavily involved in President Pinocchio's foreign policy misadventures in Egypt and Libya. Her main advisor in engineering the replacement of Hosni Mubarak with the Muslim Brotherhood candidate Mohammed Morsi--himself since replaced by Mr. Sisi--was Huma Abedin, the wife of the scandalized exhibitionist Anthony Weiner. Several members of Abedin's family in Egypt had close, longstanding connections with the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamic supremacist groups. Just the sort of person I'd expect to see serving a President who has bowed and scraped to the Muslim world ever since he first took office. Mr. Obama has the same sympathetic attitude toward Islamic extremists that most leftists do. He carries on an half-hearted, ineffective campaign against them to look like he's doing something. But in fact by showing weakness to them--our sworn enemies--he has invited another 9/11--or worse.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.

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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Having read your posts, it would not surprise me to discover that you find yourself asking that question quite a lot.

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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How do pictures punish people?

    If you don't like a picture - don't look at it.

    Pretty simple.

    I don't like "rape porn". So easily enough, I won't watch it.
    in the minds of fanatical extremists such as the people responsible for killing the editors of Charlie Ebdo, it is not as simple as you make it out to be.

    those satirical pictures of the prophet Mohammed were viewed as insult to the extremists, because according to their fanatical beliefs insulting the prophet mohammed is akin to being physically violated. in their minds, this was somthing that could not be ignored, only avenged.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    in the minds of fanatical extremists such as the people responsible for killing the editors of Charlie Ebdo, it is not as simple as you make it out to be.

    those satirical pictures of the prophet Mohammed were viewed as insult to the extremists, because according to their fanatical beliefs insulting the prophet mohammed is akin to being physically violated. in their minds, this was somthing that could not be ignored, only avenged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.

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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    You're wrong about CH. I don't think you understand them at all. These guys were ultra left wing hippies. Children of the "Mai 68" revolution. Anti-establishment, anti-religion, anti-capitalism, anti-authority, anti-Western imperialism. White academics hate CH as much as any other group they made fun of. There is nothing inherently racist or xenophobic in any of their cartoons. If there was, they would have been shut down under French anti-racism laws. The very same government who is now hailing them as heroes tried repeatedly to shut them down. And failed miserably. Some of the CH survivors working on the upcoming issue, are reportedly nauseated by this display of support from countless people who attacked them in the past. If I remember correctly, you speak French. I urge you to look up the entirety of their work, put it in the context in which it was published and you will see that they treated everyone, white, black, muslim, christian, Jewish, man and women in the exact same offensive way. There is a story behind each cartoon. There is a specific context behind each caricature. I hated their work and thought their humor too crass and crude, but I've never seen anything racist or xenophobic in them. Not a single cartoon elevated one race over another, or one ethnicity over another. They made fun of ethnic French people with the same vitriol they directed at everyone else they thought deserved their weekly scorn.
    We simply will not see eye to eye on this. I see them as nothing more than part of the same French academic elite which depicted whites negatively when it suited them and that was about it. Their vitriol, as you correctly put it, was just a continuation of what has been done for the past 100 years when it comes to other people living on their land. They demonize Muslims, they dehumanize blacks, they attack Jews, just as their forefathers did and occasionally made a few jokes at their own expense. That's the reason I should be pretending that they were anything other than racists and homophobes? No. I'm willing to defend their right to do it, but I won't pretend that their speech was anything but what it was.

    Secondly, I do speak French and unlike most people here, as such, I'm not as quick to defend the content of the speech simply because they were attacked. That's what most people have done, they've never read anything in Charlie Hebdo, and yet they're quick to defend them when they constantly complain about the treatment of Christians by the American media. I find these kinds of stances hypocritical at best and a sign of a wider problem in media at worst. It's related problem where whites simply feel that occasionally making fun of themselves makes their racism acceptable to minorities. That's simply not true and no amount of free speech rhetoric can change that. As I said, I can defend their right to say it, but I won't pretend it was anything other than hatred in cartoon form.
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    Re: Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    We simply will not see eye to eye on this. I see them as nothing more than part of the same French academic elite which depicted whites negatively when it suited them and that was about it. Their vitriol, as you correctly put it, was just a continuation of what has been done for the past 100 years when it comes to other people living on their land. They demonize Muslims, they dehumanize blacks, they attack Jews, just as their forefathers did and occasionally made a few jokes at their own expense. That's the reason I should be pretending that they were anything other than racists and homophobes? No. I'm willing to defend their right to do it, but I won't pretend that their speech was anything but what it was.

    Secondly, I do speak French and unlike most people here, as such, I'm not as quick to defend the content of the speech simply because they were attacked. That's what most people have done, they've never read anything in Charlie Hebdo, and yet they're quick to defend them when they constantly complain about the treatment of Christians by the American media. I find these kinds of stances hypocritical at best and a sign of a wider problem in media at worst. It's related problem where whites simply feel that occasionally making fun of themselves makes their racism acceptable to minorities. That's simply not true and no amount of free speech rhetoric can change that. As I said, I can defend their right to say it, but I won't pretend it was anything other than hatred in cartoon form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.

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