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Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

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radcen said:
A reasoned argument, but I just find it disingenuous. Then again, I don't find the concept of prostitution to be "bad" to begin with, and I go back to the "you can legally give it away for free..." aspect. If you can legally give it away, then you (lawmakers) are admitting it's not "bad". IMO it's the criminal status that enhances the bad element.

No matter what is done, there will always be some issues. There will always be some level of trafficking. Primarily for the lowest end involving drug addicts (though I think that would be greatly lessened), and underage kids. Whether we go 0% and keep it illegal, 50% decriminalization, or 100% fully legal, there is no panacea.
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Suit yourself. Quite simply I would rather have fewer girls forced into sexual slavery. If that means curtailing the freedom to buy sex, so be it.
 
the_recruit said:
Suit yourself. Quite simply I would rather have fewer girls forced into sexual slavery. If that means curtailing the freedom to buy sex, so be it.
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As do I. I believe legalization would accomplish the same thing without the needless other crap that goes along with it.
 
radcen said:
As do I. I believe legalization would accomplish the same thing without the needless other crap that goes along with it.
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Why? You never offered an argument against the point I made. You just basically said "well, we can't fix everything...".
 
Promising results in Sweden? Newsflash: trafficking had increased in Sweden just as much as it has increased in Germany.
 
Medusa said:
prostitution is an industry that hurts human's honor and harms society in every aspect .it is not a personal issue
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I simply think it is up to the woman involved. Guy for that matter. If their body belongs to them, then each individual can decide what to do with their own body. Pretty simple.
 
Perotista said:
I simply think it is up to the woman involved. Guy for that matter. If their body belongs to them, then each individual can decide what to do with their own body. Pretty simple.
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Body autonomy is not absolute. Do you know that committing suicide is a crime in some countries?
 
idea_steed said:
Body autonomy is not absolute. Do you know that committing suicide is a crime in some countries?
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If committing suicide is a crime in some countries, what those countries ought to do is crack down on those who commit suicide and arrest them, through them in jail. Throw the book at them.
 

Vote: Other

Once again, its a states rights issue because the U.S. Constitution does not address it. It is legal in Nevada already.

When are people ever going to realize that we have a Constitution, and any power that is not specifically enumerated in the Constitution is none of the U.S. government's business, and falls to the states.
 
Perotista said:
If committing suicide is a crime in some countries, what those countries ought to do is crack down on those who commit suicide and arrest them, through them in jail. Throw the book at them.
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Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Well, it would certainly send some kind of message! After they serve their time in jail, will they be told by the judge that if they try it again they will really be in big trouble? :lamo:
 
How interesting, that probably the same people who perpetuate the lie that Republicans wage a war on women would see women in a "profession" where they sell their bodies to men for money. Oh, the hypocrisy.
 
TerryOfromCA said:

Vote: Other

Once again, its a states rights issue because the U.S. Constitution does not address it. It is legal in Nevada already.

When are people ever going to realize that we have a Constitution, and any power that is not specifically enumerated in the Constitution is none of the U.S. government's business, and falls to the states.
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Greetings, TerryOfromCa. :2wave:

Most of us understand this - it's the idiots in DC that are having a problem with grasping the concept! :lamo: Maybe if we printed it out in big block letters ? ....
 
"Selling is legal and ****ing is legal so why isn't selling ****ing?"

TerryOfromCA said:

Vote: Other

Once again, its a states rights issue because the U.S. Constitution does not address it. It is legal in Nevada already.

When are people ever going to realize that we have a Constitution, and any power that is not specifically enumerated in the Constitution is none of the U.S. government's business, and falls to the states.
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Also very true.

10th Amendment.
 
TerryOfromCA said:
How interesting, that probably the same people who perpetuate the lie that Republicans wage a war on women would see women in a "profession" where they sell their bodies to men for money. Oh, the hypocrisy.
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Which is different how than marrying for money or support? Plus, pretty sure most of those who support legalization support it for both sexes, not just women. This is selling a service, sex, not your body. The major problem is this view that selling sexual services somehow diminishes you as a human being. It doesn't and shouldn't. It's just a service so long as all parties are agreeing to the acts.
 
polgara said:
Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Well, it would certainly send some kind of message! After they serve their time in jail, will they be told by the judge that if they try it again they will really be in big trouble? :lamo:
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Yeah, even if they was successful the first time.
 
TerryOfromCA said:
How interesting, that probably the same people who perpetuate the lie that Republicans wage a war on women would see women in a "profession" where they sell their bodies to men for money. Oh, the hypocrisy.
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roguenuke said:
Which is different how than marrying for money or support?. . . . . .
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I wouldn't marry a woman like that either, so maybe not much.

That doesn't say much for women you know. We have prostitutes, and then you add women who marry for money, what we used to call a "gold digger". Where's the nice women who fall in love and get married? I want to think they are still out there somewhere.
 
TerryOfromCA said:
I wouldn't marry a woman like that either, so maybe not much.

That doesn't say much for women you know. We have prostitutes, and then you add women who marry for money, what we used to call a "gold digger". Where's the nice women who fall in love and get married? I want to think they are still out there somewhere.
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Men marry for money and/or support sometimes too. However, since the norm used to be women got married to men to be taken care of, that sets a distinct difference between men and women from the beginning. And marriage has only very recently been about love. In the past, it was mainly about creating political or economic unions or finding a good match to carry on the family line. Love and even attraction was the last thing on most people's minds until about the last century or so.

Now, many people do marry for love. However, that doesn't change the fact that not everyone does. Nor does it change the fact that there are other considerations besides love in who you marry even when love is present. In fact it is mainly conservatives who believe that women should be in the house, taking care of the children, rather than working. Plus, it would be mainly conservatives that believe that people should stay together in marriage even if a mistake was made or love died out in the marriage.

But one thing that I will say, marriage is about much more than sex, unlike prostitution, which is pretty much just about sex. The difference here is that I recognize that there are many ways to sell sex, including in a loveless marriage where the people are only interested in making babies without regard at all to actual love or attraction. In fact, it is conservatives that try to use that argument against same sex couples, that marriage is for procreation. Where exactly would you say the "love" is in that particular argument? Sounds like a marriage rooted in sex to me.

Plus, what about men who are prostitutes? Or do you not believe men could be prostitutes? What about men who simply sleep with many, many women? Plenty of those guys out there. What about men who expect their wives to have sex with them because they are married to them, whenever the man wants it? In many places in the US, it wasn't considered rape for a husband to force a wife to have sex with him because the marriage was considered a de factor permission slip to have sex with your spouse, whether they really wanted to or not.
 
Medusa said:
it was more than mistake ,lets agree prostitution shouldnt be a legalized activity
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Oh, on that I am in perfect accord!

I shudder to think of the service personnel for this department in WalMart...
 
polgara said:
:lamo: :thumbs:

Where you been, luv? Missed ya! Did you have a fun birthday getaway?
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Yeah, spent the birthday with the kids and grand kids. I have been working on the sci-fi anthology in between other things that have been going on. I have decided on four novellas, three are ready, one more to go.
 
Perotista said:
Yeah, spent the birthday with the kids and grand kids. I have been working on the sci-fi anthology in between other things that have been going on. I have decided on four novellas, three are ready, one more to go.
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:thumbs: I've been traveling some since the year began. Glad to be home! Are you subjected to re-writes, or do they accept them as you have written them?
 
roguenuke said:
Which is different how than marrying for money or support? Plus, pretty sure most of those who support legalization support it for both sexes, not just women. This is selling a service, sex, not your body. The major problem is this view that selling sexual services somehow diminishes you as a human being. It doesn't and shouldn't. It's just a service so long as all parties are agreeing to the acts.
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Slaves sell service. Why do we ban slavery? Because it is cruel? Not necessarily. Some slaves dont get abused as we may assume. Banning it because it is a violation of freedom.
Yes, prostitution is also selling service. At first blush ,it's a celebration of freedom. But, again, freedom isn't that you can do anything, just like we cannot pummel people we resent. The core issue is not about the morality but its impact on the society. If most men resort to prostitution then they probably dont get married or raise children. Then the family value dies. Then human species goes extinct. Oh wait, before that happens, the government will fund those who are willing to get married and give birth to children, and even build care centers to raise children whose mothers are volunteers. But is that sth you would like to see? The next generation being raised just like the livingstocks?
prostitution is not just a service which people can freely sell. It's complex.
 
idea_steed said:
Slaves sell service. Why do we ban slavery? Because it is cruel? Not necessarily. Some slaves dont get abused as we may assume. Banning it because it is a violation of freedom.
Yes, prostitution is also selling service. At first blush ,it's a celebration of freedom. But, again, freedom isn't that you can do anything, just like we cannot pummel people we resent. The core issue is not about the morality but its impact on the society. If most men resort to prostitution then they probably dont get married or raise children. Then the family value dies. Then human species goes extinct. Oh wait, before that happens, the government will fund those who are willing to get married and give birth to children, and even build care centers to raise children whose mothers are volunteers. But is that sth you would like to see? The next generation being raised just like the livingstocks?
prostitution is not just a service which people can freely sell. It's complex.
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Wrong. Slaves are not selling their services. The slave holds no power in the relationship and in fact rarely has even a say in the existence of the relationship.

It is illogical to assume that a good portion of men would choose prostitutes over relationships, let alone most men. Prostitution has been legal and acceptable in many societies and never replaced marriage, having spouses, raising children as the preferred relationships. Prostitution is for extra, side, either when the guys aren't in a relationship or when they are away and there is an agreement that sex is needed (which some spouses have, and was actually quite common in the past).

You are expressing illogical, irrational fears.
 
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polgara said:
:thumbs: I've been traveling some since the year began. Glad to be home! Are you subjected to re-writes, or do they accept them as you have written them?
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Amazon has just placed them on Kindle. The 3 westerns I wrote I think they left them alone. Once I submit them I turn everything over to them. I get my royalties and retain the copyright. If Amazon wants to turn them into paper or something else, they have that right. I am just an amateur who does this as a hobby or for fun.
 
Perotista said:
Amazon has just placed them on Kindle. The 3 westerns I wrote I think they left them alone. Once I submit them I turn everything over to them. I get my royalties and retain the copyright. If Amazon wants to turn them into paper or something else, they have that right. I am just an amateur who does this as a hobby or for fun.
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If I recall correctly, you were considering at one time writing about your years in the service but didn't know if you could get permission writing it as a true story. Have you followed up on that, or could you write it as just a book - not giving specifics, etc? I think people would be interested in something like that because of where you were, more than anything else. It's a culture that is not much written about.
 
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