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Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

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yes of course
theres no logical reason to not have it legal

legalize it, regulate it and take the taxes and put it into healthcare and education

of course we could go round and round about what the regulations need to be, id say start here:
taxed and very frequent health screenings
need licenses
need to be 21 to "work"
must be a legal resident to work or buy
can be independent worker or part of an org. (Orgs will be regulated like other orgs . . no criminal ties, different rules for local and operating over state lines etc etc)
workers should have some extra rules placed on them like medical and government workers as far as leaving the country goes to further insure health risks

that seems like a good start but thats REALLY for another thread
 
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Amadeus said:
As with drugs and alcohol, it's the prohibition that fuels the criminal elements of prostitution.
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We usually agree on a lot of cases. You're simply wrong on this one. In Germany for example, thousands of women are smuggled in yearly because it's cheaper to have houses filled with cheaper pimped out prostitutes from Romania/Bulgaria than it is to hire German girls. I have no doubt that if it was legal, the same would be done in the US - instead it would be illegal immigrant girls being smuggled in like drug mules.

Human Trafficking Persists Despite Legality of Prostitution in Germany - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Human trafficking in the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Latvians become victims of human trafficking most often in England Ireland and Holland | Patv
 
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Hatuey said:
We usually agree on a lot of cases. You're simply wrong on this one. In Germany for example, thousands of women are smuggled in yearly because it's cheaper to have houses filled with cheaper pimped out prostitutes from Romania/Bulgaria than it is to hire German girls. I have no doubt that if it was legal, the same would be done in the US - instead it would be illegal immigrant girls being smuggled in like drug mules.
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Isn't that a smuggling problem, not a prostitution problem? I'm not sure that the two issues should be conflated.

If there was an avenue for adults to enter into prostitution legally, that wouldn't prevent smuggling and trafficking, but it would mitigate the dangers of those women from being abused by the criminal element.

Not that I'd personally recommend prostitution as a career choice.
 
No, I don't. It should be a misdemeanor for the woman but a major felony to traffic in it and a 1st degree to pimp out minors.

The reason it should be a misdemeanor (minor) is to keep it off the streets.

What is really pathetic in my view is those who claim they want it legalized so they can be regulated - meaning making it legal to make it illegal unless done how the government says. In short, the government becomes the pimp taking its cut. Instead of arresting prostitutes for prostitution, they are being arrested for not buying their license, not officially declaring themselves prostitutes on public record, not pay the fees and licenses. Not reporting on time. Having the wrong kind of sex. Not using condoms.

What percentage of women do you think would ACTUALLY register as a prostitute?

This is more OPPRESSIVE and lifelong punitive criminal laws than currently exist, because women are NOT going to do it, or more accurately prostitutes aren't going to do it.

So REALLY all that is being done is every city in the country having its own extra 1000 pages of what becomes anti-prostitution laws. Do you think they should jump prostitutes that didn't pay the prostitution tax from behind with a choke hold like that guy over cigarettes in NYC?

There is no such thing as "legalizing but regulating" prostitution. That is an oxymoron. Rather, it is just cutting the government into the prostitution business and a million pages of anti-prostitution regulatory laws, ie criminal laws.

NOTE: Legalizing licensed brotels is something entirely different as that is a physical business establishment with employees. That might be acceptable - but that wouldn't be 1/10th of 1% of the prostitution going on.
 
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Amadeus said:
Isn't that a smuggling problem, not a prostitution problem?
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Smuggling concerns goods, not people. It's human trafficking. If the human trafficking is done to make prostitution cheaper for pimps, then it's really two problems. The first is that they're being trafficked into the country. The second is that they're pimped out.
 
Hatuey said:
The older I get, the more I believe prostitution is a cancer on our society. It involves pimping, human trafficking, and, transnational slavery in many of Europe's "success stories" like Germany. If there was a way to guarantee that these illegal activities didn't thrive off prostitution, I'd be all for it. However, as these other illicit activities are required to ensure cheap labor in many countries, I don't support its legalization on a willy nilly basis. In some countries, prostitution may work, however in America's case, some areas of the country have proven they're really good at ignoring slavery and oppression of some individuals by other individuals. So I wouldn't trust any state to create laws which do more than regulate taxation and STD testing on these women.
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Forced prostitution and trafficking usually have nothing in common with legal alternatives. The one does not support the other. Legalized prostitution may not cure or even diminish trafficking, especially the trafficking of children, but it will cure many problems faced by adult prostitutes. A positive change needn't be a panacea to be worth doing. It only need be positive.

Hatuey said:
We usually agree on a lot of cases. You're simply wrong on this one. In Germany for example, thousands of women are smuggled in yearly because it's cheaper to have houses filled with cheaper pimped out prostitutes from Romania/Bulgaria than it is to hire German girls. I have no doubt that if it was legal, the same would be done in the US - instead it would be illegal immigrant girls being smuggled in like drug mules.
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However, even in Germany, the smuggled and forced prostitution is still illegal. The legal prostitution doesn't create a safe space for criminal activity. Instead, it probably makes it easier to locate and rescue those forced women. In a country where prostitution in general is illegal, they could face criminal charges and would likely face abuse within the criminal system. But if there is no penalty for what they were doing, even if it were consensual, then the law only serves to protect these women from being forced. It no longer matters what they're being forced to do, only that they have been abducted and abused.
 
Hatuey said:
Smuggling concerns goods, not people. It's human trafficking. If the human trafficking is done to make prostitution cheaper for pimps, then it's really two problems. The first is that they're being trafficked into the country. The second is that they're pimped out.
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You've convinced me with your opinion/discussion/case.
 
AGENT J said:
yes of course
theres no logical reason to not have it legal

legalize it, regulate it and take the taxes and put it into healthcare and education

of course we could go round and round about what the regulations need to be, id say start here:
taxed and very frequent health screenings
need licenses
need to be 21 to "work"
must be a legal resident to work or buy
can be independent worker or part of an org. (Orgs will be regulated like other orgs . . no criminal ties, different rules for local and operating over state lines etc etc)
workers should have some extra rules placed on them like medical and government workers as far as leaving the country goes to further insure health risks

that seems like a good start but thats REALLY for another thread
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No, what you REALLY want it is to be very, very illegal, don't you? As of now, there is one 1 misdemeanor charge of prostitution. BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT INSTEAD:

Criminal Count #1 Underage prostitution being only age 20
Criminal Count #2 Failure to put your name on the I'm-a-prostitute government registry
Criminal Count #3 Failure to obtain a health department permit
Criminal Count #4 Failure to file out the "I'm a prostitute" sales tax form
Criminal Count #5 Failure to pay the "I'm a prostitute tax
Criminal Count #6 Prostitution with a non-citizen
Criminal Count #7 Prostitution with someone age 20, under age 21
Criminal Count #8 Prostitution being a non US citizen

What other criminal laws against prostitution do you want? Do you want those to be felonies or misdemeanors?
 
Paschendale said:
Forced prostitution and trafficking usually have nothing in common with legal alternatives. The one does not support the other. Legalized prostitution may not cure or even diminish trafficking, especially the trafficking of children, but it will cure many problems faced by adult prostitutes. A positive change needn't be a panacea to be worth doing. It only need be positive.
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Prostitution and human trafficking have everything to do with one another. Human trafficking provides the product required for prostitution to thrive. That's a simple fact proven already by that shining example of in Europe. :shrug:

However, even in Germany, the smuggled and forced prostitution is still illegal.
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Good thing! Imagine if they made legal? It would disappear within a week! Right? Give way to... I don't know... legal human trafficking in a way where the state taxes for every piece of human being you bring in? What was that called when the US did it?

The legal prostitution doesn't create a safe space for criminal activity.
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See: Links on Germany's failed efforts into prostitution, that statement is proven absolutely false.
 
celticwar17 said:
You've convinced me with your opinion/discussion/case.
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It took me a long time to come to terms with the fact that I'm really not in favor of prostitution. Maybe, I was a few years ago. However, seeing my own daughter grow up, I'd never want her or any other young woman to end up in a position where traffickers could simply bring her to another country and bribe police officers like they do in Germany. Can you imagine the NYPD/LAPD being in charge of dealing with legal/illegal prostitution? With their abysmal track records of corruption? **** that, nonsense.
 
What percentage of prostitutes do you think would actually fill out an "I'm a prostitute" government form down at City Hall or the police stations?

So instead of being just arrested for prostitution, added is also prostitution without a license. Thus, prostitution wasn't legalized at all, just more criminal laws against it.
 
joko104 said:
No, what you REALLY want it is to be very, very illegal, don't you? As of now, there is one 1 misdemeanor charge of prostitution. BUT THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT INSTEAD:

Criminal Count #1 Underage prostitution being only age 20
Criminal Count #2 Failure to put your name on the I'm-a-prostitute government registry
Criminal Count #3 Failure to obtain a health department permit
Criminal Count #4 Failure to file out the "I'm a prostitute" sales tax form
Criminal Count #5 Failure to pay the "I'm a prostitute tax
Criminal Count #6 Prostitution with a non-citizen
Criminal Count #7 Prostitution with someone age 20, under age 21
Criminal Count #8 Prostitution being a non US citizen

What other criminal laws against prostitution do you want? Do you want those to be felonies or misdemeanors?
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100% false what i "really" want is just what i said i want it legal and that FACT wont change LMAO ;)
if you disagree please provide ONE fact that supports you that i dont want it legal

please chalk this up to one of your all-time dishonest and mentally inane strawman "posts"
 
Most messages on this thread are naïve. Most prostitutes are drug addicts doing $10 to $20 BJs or doing so to be paid in drugs. Pass all the regulations you want - and the mean nothing other than more charges to file against them. Professional high dollar prostitutes are very, very rare - and even they aren't going to put into government record they're a prostitute.

Also what constitutes prostitution versus escort service with out a promise of sex, but it will happen of course, means more jailing of poor people and those with money aren't.
 
AGENT J said:
100% false what i "really" want is just what i said i want it legal and that FACT wont change LMAO ;)
if you disagree please provide ONE fact that supports you that i dont want it legal

please chalk this up to one of your all-time dishonest and mentally inane strawman "posts"
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If you can't read your own messages that's your problem. The mental insanity is stating all the rules and requirement you want added - and then turn around a rage you don't.

READ YOUR OWN MESSAGE. I quoted it. The laws you want passes as requirements. My list is based on YOUR message. Or are you going to go into repetitious denial of what you posted yourself?
 
joko104 said:
1.)If you can't read your own messages that's your problem. The mental insanity is stating all the rules and requirement you want added - and then turn around a rage you don't.

READ YOUR OWN MESSAGE. I quoted it. The laws you want passes as requirements. My list is based on YOUR message. Or are you going to go into repetitious denial of what you posted yourself?
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translation: you cant provide ONE fact that shows i want it illegal
if you disagree please present ONE single fact that supports your failed and destroyed claim that i want it illegal . . . one

thanks for playing
your post fails and facts win again
 
Laws against prostitution Agent J wants - while furiously claiming THIS is legalizing it:


AGENT J said:
yes of course
theres no logical reason to not have it legal

legalize it, regulate it and take the taxes and put it into healthcare and education

of course we could go round and round about what the regulations need to be, id say start here:
1. taxed and 2. very frequent health screenings
3. need licenses
4. need to be 21 to "work"
5. must be a legal resident to work or 6. buy
can be independent worker or part of an org. (Orgs will be regulated like other orgs . . 7. no criminal ties, different rules for local and 8. operating over state lines etc etc)
workers should have some extra rules placed on them like 9 . medical and government workers as 10. far as leaving the country goes to further insure health risks (and that's just for starters...)
that seems like a good start (for more laws to charge against people about prostitution) but thats REALLY for another thread
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Yeah, that's legalizing prostitution. :roll:
 
The reason prostitution is illegal is for the same reason that drugs are illegal: it significantly harms members of society sufficiently for society to draw the line against tolerating it.

At this point, at this board for the most part, as with just about all political discussion boards, it is pointless to try to present/convince pro-legalization members why the majority and especially those who serve as guardians of society are opposed to legalizing that which is deemed to be such a sufficiently significant threat.

What's important to understand, is that those who value society and the people who comprise it are opposed to that which so significantly sufficiently threatens society or it's members.

Whether the thing they want to remain illegal would be, if legal, a very real threat or greatly increased threat to marriages, people's health, the very lives of minor children, keeping traffic fatalities down, or what have you, it's important to understand that that is why those so opposing legalizing these threats are so adamant about keeping them illegal and thereby giving them a legal recourse to keep those activities to a very bare minimum.
 
AGENT J said:
translation: you cant provide ONE fact that shows i want it illegal
if you disagree please present ONE single fact that supports your failed and destroyed claim that i want it illegal . . . one

thanks for playing
your post fails and facts win again
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I think his contention was that you wishing it was legal is more than likely to drive it further underground. It's not as if your average meth head prostitute is in a hurry to get to the nearest government office and make her status known.
 
joko104 said:
Laws against prostitution Agent J wants - while furiously claiming THIS is legalizing it:




Yeah, that's legalizing prostitution. :roll:
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would it still be legal? YEP

hey lets further destory your failed claim

is driving legal? yep
but can a 12yr old legally drive? nope
can an illegal legally drive? nope
can one legally drive without a licenses? nope
etc etc etc

again instead of dodging it, if you disagree PLEASE present ONE single FACT that supports your failed and destroyed claim that i want it illegal . . . one . . thank you
your post fails and facts win again
 
Hatuey said:
I think his contention was that you wishing it was legal is more than likely to drive it further underground. It's not as if your average meth head prostitute is in a hurry to get to the nearest government office and make her status known.
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Exactly.
 
Hatuey said:
1.)I think his contention was that you wishing it was legal is more than likely to drive it further underground.
2.)It's not as if your average meth head prostitute is in a hurry to get to the nearest government office and make her status known.
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1.)well him further repeating the lie that i want it illegal disagrees with your thoughts. If he would like to change his false and proven wrong claim to what you said he is free to do so
2.) while i dont disagree that is also meanignless to the fact that i want it legal :shrug:

do you disagree, do you think any of that impacts the fact that i want it legal?
 
Legal public registered brothels are an entirely different matter from all other prostitution. Even if there were legal brothels, 99.9% of prostitution would not happen there. Hell, what man want a video of him going into a brothel, which are prime extortion businesses?
 
joko104 said:
Exactly.
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so now you are back peddling and admitting that i want it legal but you just think it will drive it underground? feel free to make that statement then instead of the lie you posted then LMAO

facts win again
 
AGENT J said:
1.)well him further repeating the lie that i want it illegal disagrees with your thoughts. If he would like to change his false and proven wrong claim to what you said he is free to do so
2.) while i dont disagree that is also meanignless to the fact that i want it legal :shrug:

do you disagree, do you think any of that impacts the fact that i want it legal?
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Your message is absurd. You listed numerous restrictive laws you wanted added against prostitution. It looks like your going to go into a rage to divert from the reality of what you posted.
 
AGENT J said:
so now you are back peddling and admitting that i want it legal but you just think it will drive it underground? feel free to make that statement then instead of the lie you posted then LMAO

facts win again
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I'm saying what I said, quoting what you said, and also agreeing with Hatuey's point too.
 
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