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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    So democratically elected pimps are okay in your view? Not sure I understand. Wouldn't it make more sense to just ban brothels completely and have everyone work as independent freelancers? Or would that get in the way of your "heavily regulated" fantasy?
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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    So democratically elected pimps are okay in your view? Not sure I understand. Wouldn't it make more sense to just ban brothels completely and have everyone work as independent freelancers? Or would that get in the way of your "heavily regulated" fantasy?
    You misunderstand. I don't object to management itself in the prostitution industry, I object to exploitative management. Establishment of cooperative brothels with a respect for the rights of the workers would eliminate the possibility of violations of the rights of prostitutes and the occurrence of sex slavery. I would have no problem with someone engaging in prostitution as an independent freelancer legally, but the hypothetical regulations would obviously be very different in that case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post

    l mean do you think it can be banned ?

    As long as there is a demand for prostitution, it will exist. There is not a demand for prostitution in the specific business model of pimping, so if cooperative brothels satisfy the demand for prostitution, I don't see why a ban on pimping wouldn't be enforceable.
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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    As long as there is a demand for prostitution, it will exist. There is not a demand for prostitution in the specific business model of pimping, so if cooperative brothels satisfy the demand for prostitution, I don't see why a ban on pimping wouldn't be enforceable.
    I think you're way off base with this. Banning pimping would greatly inhibit innovation in the creation of new types of P4P venues. You have to remember that the most important customer base are business travellers (including offshore workers and military contractors, basically anyone who works away from home) - and they aren't merely looking for sex, they are also looking to have a good time.

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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    I think you're way off base with this. Banning pimping would greatly inhibit innovation in the creation of new types of P4P venues. You have to remember that the most important customer base are business travellers (including offshore workers and military contractors, basically anyone who works away from home) - and they aren't merely looking for sex, they are also looking to have a good time.
    There's no evidence to suggest that cooperative brothels wouldn't be able to properly entertain their customers. But quite frankly, my greater concern is the protection of prostitutes from sex slavery, and I'm not too worried about how satisfied customers are, as long as they're not turning to other methods that exploit the prostitutes.
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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean... you're going to essentially make a small section of prostitution legal and keep the overwhelming majority of prostitution illegal. How will this work for the thousands of junky prostitutes in major cities? Do you believe they'll simply get off the drugs and start filing tax returns? What about all the underaged prostitutes in the US? They'll simply come out of the shadows and do it legally? These suggestions of "regulating it" aren't based on an understanding of prostitution in its current form. They're based on ideological musings of how things should be in the perfect world.
    We live in a seller beware economic system. To simply allow an unregulated SEX enterprise would be disastrous for our legal system, and our courts.
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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean... you're going to essentially make a small section of prostitution legal and keep the overwhelming majority of prostitution illegal. How will this work for the thousands of junky prostitutes in major cities? Do you believe they'll simply get off the drugs and start filing tax returns? What about all the underaged prostitutes in the US? They'll simply come out of the shadows and do it legally? These suggestions of "regulating it" aren't based on an understanding of prostitution in its current form. They're based on ideological musings of how things should be in the perfect world.
    Are you suggesting that because we can't fix everything and help everybody that we shouldn't even try to fix some aspects and help some people into better situations?


    Quote Originally Posted by foadi View Post
    If pimping is banned, then wouldn't brothels, by extension, also be banned? The proprietor of a brothel is, in many ways, acting as a pimp. What about websites like backpage? They are profiting from prostitution, so would they be banned along with pimping?

    Nothing wrong with pimping in my opinion. No reason to ban it.
    "Pimping" would/should be defined as preventing people from leaving a 'business relationship' for fear of significant retribution. In a legitimate legal business environment, the prostitute could leave at any time (or, at least at the expiration of a legal contract), and not fear retribution of any kind.

    You actually support pimping?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by SocialDemocrat View Post
    There's no evidence to suggest that cooperative brothels wouldn't be able to properly entertain their customers.
    Ok, take lets use termas in Rio De Janeiro (like Centaurus or 4x4), or saunas in Macau (Sanado, 18, Rio, etc) as an example. Would it be possible to turn those sorts of venues into co-ops? Would require millions in investment, hundreds of employees, and a bunch of other stuff. Seems like co-op's would be relatively basic, small, and boring in comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    "Pimping" would/should be defined as preventing people from leaving a 'business relationship' for fear of significant retribution. In a legitimate legal business environment, the prostitute could leave at any time (or, at least at the expiration of a legal contract), and not fear retribution of any kind.

    You actually support pimping?
    Not when you change the definition of pimping. But I have no problem with mamasans/papasans/madames/whatever you want to call them, or business owners trying to make a profit in the sex industry.

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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Prostitutes don't get involved in this stuff after they become prostitutes, that's how they get there. Human trafficking isn't something which happens to prostitutes after they start prostituting themselves. It's how they get there in the first place. That's not going to go away because prostitution is legalized. Legalizing it will simply put fewer traffickers in jail, it won't change the conditions under which they place women. These libertarian arguments really make it obvious that people don't know how most women enter prostitution or why.
    Also, legalizing it cannot eliminate the black market. Regulation means higher cost. Poor men may resort to individual hookers.
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    Re: Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by idea_steed View Post
    Also, legalizing it cannot eliminate the black market. Regulation means higher cost. Poor men may resort to individual hookers.
    Does it?

    Define what you mean by "higher cost". Higher relative to what it was when unregulated. Or, simply higher than unregulated, always?

    Take cigarettes, for example. They're highly regulated and taxed. Yet, black market cigarettes don't become a significant issue unless the taxes get too high. Below a certain point, wherever that may be, and the issue is minor.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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