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Is the following statement racist?

Is the following statement racist?

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Grim17 said:
. The fact remains however, that the overwhelming majority of Muslim terrorists are of Arab descent.
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Interesting claim. Back it up. :)
 
The problem is that while you can profile a typical Islamic radical terrorist as "probably looks like [insert general features description]", doing so has multiple results.

  1. It may increase law enforcement's ability to find Islamic radical terrorists who look something like your generalized description.
  2. It may decrease law enforcement's ability to find Islamic radical terrorists who do NOT look something like your generalized description.
  3. It may cause law enforcement to focus too much attention on those who fit the profile (ties in with #1).

It is my understanding that a far more effective way to address the issue is to profile behavior, rather than appearance.
 
There was already a thread on this and Shannon Breem was responding to a comment made by another panelist. OP just dropped the context in an endless effort to find racism somewhere.
 
Grim17 said:
And again, you won't answer my question,
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Couldn't find the info, could you? Face it, she associated skin color to whether someone was a bad guy. Yet even in the case she was discussing, there were clear examples that skin color is useless when it comes to determining whether someone is a bad guy. What does that leave us with? Well, it's simple she believes that looking like an Arab is enough to determine whether someone is a terrorist. As opposed to you know... people with masks shooting at civilians. Please, don't do these many gymnastics to defend a ridiculous question. She said it, it was racist, move on. :shrug:
 
Hatuey said:
Couldn't find the info, could you? Face it, she associated skin color to whether someone was a bad guy. Yet even in the case she was discussing, there were clear examples that skin color is useless when it comes to determining whether someone is a bad guy. What does that leave us with? Well, it's simple she believes that looking like an Arab is enough to determine whether someone is a terrorist. As opposed to you know... people with masks shooting at civilians. Please, don't do these many gymnastics to defend a ridiculous question. She said it, it was racist, move on. :shrug:
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I'm not answering any more of your questions when you don't have either the courtesy, or the guts to answer the one I posed to you.


Debate is a 2-way street pal.
 
Grim17 said:
I'm not answering any more of your questions
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You don't have to. I've already gotten what I wanted out of the conversation. You disagree with her implication that "bad guys" can be sorted out by race. You can't even dignify answering why. I suspect it is because even you - a defender of everything FOX - realizes that it's racist as ****. Now, we're just doing that thing where you rage about liberalism and then you write a long post about what leftists do. All because you couldn't even admit that the implications of her question were racist as hell.
 
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Hatuey said:
You don't have to. I've already gotten what I wanted out of the conversation. You disagree with her implication that "bad guys" can be sorted out by race. You can't even dignify answering why. I suspect it is because even you - a defender of everything FOX - realizes that it's racist as ****. Now, we're just doing that thing where you rage about liberalism and then you write a long post about what leftists do. All because you couldn't even admit that the implications of her question were racist as hell.
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They were not racist and you know it... That's why you can't answer my question because if you did, your entire argument would fall apart.

You can always tell when someone is full of crap... Just ask them an honest question and watch them do anything but answer it... LMAO
 
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You can tell by his lilly white skin that he's a good guy.

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He's got light enough skin to be a babysitter.
 
Grim17 said:
They were not racist and you know it
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Utter nonsense. Why can't you tell whether someone is bad by skin color?​ What would that mean?
 
pbrauer said:
"That's my question about these guys. If we know they were speaking unaccented French and they had ski masks on, do we even know what color they were, what the tone of their skin was? I mean, what if they didn't look like typical bad guys? As we define them when we think about terror groups."
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There isn't enough context to know, but my first impression is that this is an attempt to Identify a perpetrator. We do that via description. Secondly these are questions. Asking about the race or ethnicity of a terrorist seems to be the opposite of racism. It would be easy to assume those answers instead of asking the question. in the end poor poll question because of limited context.
 
Too ambiguous to make a call.
 
Hatuey said:
Utter nonsense. Why can't you tell whether someone is bad by skin color?​ What would that mean?
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No answers from you... no answers from me.

Debate is a 2 way street, and not meant for people who's beliefs can't hold up to simple questions.
 
reinoe said:
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You can tell by his lilly white skin that he's a good guy.

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He's got light enough skin to be a babysitter.
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Well color me shocked!

I just looked up those 2 guys and they weren't Muslim terrorist at all... One of them was a serial killer, not a "terrorist" and neither one of them was even Muslim.

You're obviously the victim of false information.
 
Grim17 said:
No answers from you... no answers from me.

Debate is a 2 way street, and not meant for people who's beliefs can't hold up to simple questions.
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You don't get it, do you? Not wanting to dignify why associating skin color with whether someone is a bad guy, is the answer. The only possible answer is that it is in fact racist. :)
 
Grim17 said:
I hadn't realized that those guys were Muslim terrorists?

Learn something new every day.
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Grim17 said:
Well color me shocked!


I just looked up those 2 guys and they weren't Muslim terrorist at all... One of them was a serial killer, not a "terrorist" and neither one of them was even Muslim.


You're obviously the victim of false information.
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Ah ok, so the goalpost has moved. But that's ok since muslim terrorists come in all kinds of colors...

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reinoe said:
Ah ok, so the goalpost has moved. But that's ok since muslim terrorists come in all kinds of colors...

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1. When did the goalpost move? The phrase "bad guys" in that quote was a direct reference to Muslim terrorists... More specifically, the 2 Muslim terrorists responsible for the murders last week in France.

2. Nobody is claiming that all Muslim terrorists are of Arab descent, or all Muslims of Arab descent are terrorists. The comment was based on the physical description of the typical Muslim terrorist, most of which are overwhelmingly of Arab descent and have different physical features than most people of European descent, including a different tone of skin.


This notion that she was not specifically talking about Muslim terrorists, or that she was proclaiming all Muslim terrorist to be of Arab descent, is just ridiculous. Doing so is far worse than "moving the goalpost", it's a flat out untruth.
 
Grim17 said:
1. When did the goalpost move? The phrase "bad guys" in that quote was a direct reference to Muslim terrorists... More specifically, the 2 Muslim terrorists responsible for the murders last week in France.

2. Nobody is claiming that all Muslim terrorists are of Arab descent, or all Muslims of Arab descent are terrorists. The comment was based on the physical description of the typical Muslim terrorist, most of which are overwhelmingly of Arab descent and have different physical features than most people of European descent, including a different tone of skin.


This notion that she was not specifically talking about Muslim terrorists, or that she was proclaiming all Muslim terrorist to be of Arab descent, is just ridiculous. Doing so is far worse than "moving the goalpost", it's a flat out untruth.
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As far as I've heard the terrorists in France weren't of Arab descent either, they were of African lineage. To think that someone "looks like a terrorist" because they're of Arab descent is still pretty dang racist.
 
rocket88 said:
As far as I've heard the terrorists in France weren't of Arab descent either, they were of African lineage. To think that someone "looks like a terrorist" because they're of Arab descent is still pretty dang racist.
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Again, that is irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of Muslim Terrorists are of Arab descent.

Did you watch the clip of that discussion? If so, how come you don't seem to know what she was specifically talking about, the statement that she was responding to and the point that she was making?
 
pbrauer said:
"That's my question about these guys. If we know they were speaking unaccented French and they had ski masks on, do we even know what color they were, what the tone of their skin was? I mean, what if they didn't look like typical bad guys? As we define them when we think about terror groups."
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Disclaimer: The OP's statement is not in context, so I hope I am interpreting it correctly. If not, oh well.

I don't see the statement as racist, per se, but I do see the issue a matter of practical reality.

Not factoring in race/skin color is stupidly naive. If you're searching for a specific person for a crime you want to make the apprehension of said suspect as quick and efficient as possible. That means knowing individual known characteristics and weeding out irrelevant characteristics. If a person is X color, they're X color. Suck it up and say so. Don't waste everyone's time looking for Y color.
 
radcen said:
Disclaimer: The OP's statement is not in context, so I hope I am interpreting it correctly. If not, oh well.

I don't see the statement as racist, per se, but I do see the issue a matter of practical reality.

Not factoring in race/skin color is stupidly naive. If you're searching for a specific person for a crime you want to make the apprehension of said suspect as quick and efficient as possible. That means knowing individual known characteristics and weeding out irrelevant characteristics. If a person is X color, they're X color. Suck it up and say so. Don't waste everyone's time looking for Y color.
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But the woman wasn't talking about that. Since the criminals were wearing masks etc, their skin tone wasn't relevant. She needs to know the tone of someone's skin to know if they're "bad guys".
 
Grim17 said:
Again, that is irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of Muslim Terrorists are of Arab descent.

Did you watch the clip of that discussion? If so, how come you don't seem to know what she was specifically talking about, the statement that she was responding to and the point that she was making?
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The question is if a particular statement is racist. As relayed in the OP, it is. And what do you think she meant by "As we define them when we think about terror groups?" What do "typical bad guys" look like when defined in that context?
 
rocket88 said:
The question is if a particular statement is racist. As relayed in the OP, it is. And what do you think she meant by "As we define them when we think about terror groups?" What do "typical bad guys" look like when defined in that context?
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I realize that this might be considered a high crime against the laws of political correctness, but the typical Muslim terrorist who is a member of a terrorist group (the "bad guys" she was referring to), is typically a male of Arab descent under 30 years of age, and as you know men of Arab descent generally have distinct physical features that differ from those of typical men of European descent, including the tone of their skin.

Maybe you didn't realize it, but her statement was made in disagreement with some others on the panel who believe that a stronger, more well armed police presence on the ground might be able to prevent a future Muslim terrorist attack from happening. Her point was, that even if police had been on the ground in France the day of the attack, those guys spoke perfect French (no Arab accent) and their faces were covered, so they wouldn't have know whether or not they were of Arab descent, therefore wouldn't have been seen by them as possible Muslim terrorists because they didn't even fit the profile of the typical Muslim terrorist. aka "Some times bad guys (Muslim terrorists) don't look like bad guys" as Kennedy said prior to her statement.

Like I've said, her statement was worded poorly and definitely racially insensitive, but it was not racist. There was no hatred, intolerance or prejudice involved.
 
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