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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Grim17, you can acrobat around the thread with you dictionary definitions, but this really is a clear cut case of someone associating race with intent/type of person. A certain skin color = bad guys.
    a) The "Bad guys" she referred to were specifically the Muslim terrorist who murdered all those people in France, not all criminals.

    b) The overwhelming majority of Muslim terrorists possess physical features that differ from those of European descent, including a darker skin color.

    c) The dictionary is what defines words in the English language, whether it fits your agenda or not. What defines "racism", and always has defined racism, are a set of specific characteristics including hatred of a person or persons based on their race, a belief that different races are inherently inferior or superior to others, and discriminating or treating people differently than others based upon their race. Neither a person or a statement can be labeled "racist" without at least one of those characteristics being present.



    When people like yourself label a person or their words "racist", you do so with the specific intention of designating it, or them, as possessing the very same racial hatred and/or intolerance as described in that dictionary definition. You label that person or their words as being based on racial hatred.

    What I want to know is how you or anyone else in good conscience can label someone with that dictionary definition of racial hatred and intolerance, when nothing they have said or done even matches the definition to begin with?

    If I'm in a room full of predominantly black people, and they talk about the KKK, slavery or the fact that nearly all of America's serial killers are white, I would probably feel pretty uncomfortable and who knows, maybe even somewhat offended... but unless their words were based on hatred of white people, or an attempt to condemn all white people as killers and oppressors, I would not slap the "racist" label on those people or their words. Just because the stating of certain facts publicly can be racially uncomfortable to some, doesn't make them, or their words racist.

    That doesn't mean in this case, that what she said was perfectly acceptable. I think her words were poorly chosen and what you would call "racially insensitive". I bet she wished she could have taken them back the second she said them. Either way, what she said had nothing to do with hatred or intolerance, therefore simply wasn't racist


    A certain skin color = good guys. What color were the Muslims who killed those people at Charlie Hebdo by the way?
    She never said that... Like the truth makes any difference to you...

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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    a) The "Bad guys" she referred to were specifically the Muslim terrorist who murdered all those people in France, not all criminals.[

    b) The overwhelming majority of Muslim terrorists possess physical features that differ from those of European descent, including a darker skin color.

    c) The dictionary is what defines words in the English language, whether it fits your agenda or not. What defines "racism", and always has defined racism, are a set of specific characteristics including hatred of a person or persons based on their race, a belief that different races are inherently inferior or superior to others, and discriminating or treating people differently than others based upon their race. Neither a person or a statement can be labeled "racist" without at least one of those characteristics being present.

    When people like yourself label a person or their words "racist", you do so with the specific intention of designating it, or them, as possessing the very same racial hatred and/or intolerance as described in that dictionary definition. You label that person or their words as being based on racial hatred.

    What I want to know is how you or anyone else in good conscience can label someone with that dictionary definition of racial hatred and intolerance, when nothing they have said or done even matches the definition to begin with?

    If I'm in a room full of predominantly black people, and they talk about the KKK, slavery or the fact that nearly all of America's serial killers are white, I would probably feel pretty uncomfortable and who knows, maybe even somewhat offended... but unless their words were based on hatred of white people, or an attempt to condemn all white people as killers and oppressors, I would not slap the "racist" label on those people or their words. Just because the stating of certain facts publicly can be racially uncomfortable to some, doesn't make them, or their words racist.

    That doesn't mean in this case, that what she said was perfectly acceptable. I think her words were poorly chosen and what you would call "racially insensitive". I bet she wished she could have taken them back the second she said them. Either way, what she said had nothing to do with hatred or intolerance, therefore simply wasn't racist


    She never said that... Like the truth makes any difference to you...
    All that diatribe and you can't answer a simple question: Can you or can't you tell whether someone is a bad guy by their skin color? Answer whenever you want Grim17.
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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    All that diatribe and you can't answer a simple question: Can you or can't you tell whether someone is a bad guy by their skin color? Answer whenever you want Grim17.
    OK... Your question is, Can you tell if a person is a Muslim terrorist by the color of their skin?

    The answer is "No", but that isn't what she said, nor what she was implying. She was replying to what Kennedy said about how Muslim terrorists don't always look like Muslim terrorists. She was making the point that the 2 Muslim terrorists in France wouldn't have fit the typical profile of a Muslim terrorist even if police had interacted with or saw them, because they spoke unaccented French (no Arab accent) and were wearing ski masks so it was impossible to determine if they were of Arab descent.

    Now how about you address my question:

    When people like yourself label a person or their words "racist", you do so with the specific intention of designating it, or them, as possessing the very same racial hatred and/or intolerance as described in that dictionary definition. You label that person or their words as being based on racial hatred.

    What I want to know is how you or anyone else in good conscience can label someone with that dictionary definition of racial hatred and intolerance, when nothing they have said or done even matches the definition to begin with?

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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    OK... Your question is
    No. Can you or can't you tell whether someone is a bad guy by their skin color?Yes or no answer.

    The answer is "No"
    Good. Why not?

    By the way, this is what the Paris terrorists looked like:



    1 was a black man, the woman could pass for a regular French woman, and the men in question to the far left of the screen look like your average Latin American baseball players. So again, do you believe she would have been able to tell who the bad guys were simply by their skin color?

    but that isn't what she said
    Nobody claimed she said what you think I asked. She implied that skin color and being a bad guy were related. Do you believe that to be true in this case? How Middle Eastern does the black fellow look? How Middle Eastern does the white lady look? Get serious Grim17, dictionary definitions are for people who fall for that stuff. This is DebatePolitics, we have higher standards for arguments.
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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. Can you or can't you tell whether someone is a bad guy by their skin color?Yes or no answer.



    Good. Why not?
    Since the answer is obvious, I won't dignify it with an answer.

    By the way, this is what the Paris terrorists looked like:

    Nobody said that all Muslim terrorists are of Arab descent, or that all people of Arab descent are Muslim terrorists, so that changes nothing. The fact remains however, that the overwhelming majority of Muslim terrorists are of Arab descent.

    1 was a black man, the woman could pass for a regular French woman, and the men in question to the far left of the screen look like your average Latin American baseball players. So again, do you believe she would have been able to tell who the bad guys were simply by their skin color?
    Already answered.


    Nobody claimed she said what you think I asked. She implied that skin color and being a bad guy were related. Do you believe that to be true in this case? How Middle Eastern does the black fellow look? How Middle Eastern does the white lady look? Get serious Grim17, dictionary definitions are for people who fall for that stuff. This is DebatePolitics, we have higher standards for arguments.
    The phrase "Bad guy" was the entire panels reference to "Muslim terrorists"... Just listen to the damned clip and stop pretending that she meant something she didn't. Here's the quote again:

    "That's my question about these guys. If we know they were speaking unaccented French and they had ski masks on, do we even know what color they were, what the tone of their skin was? I mean, what if they didn't look like typical bad guys? As we define them when we think about terror groups."


    I have answered your questions, so why is it that you have yet to answer mine?
    Last edited by Grim17; 01-14-15 at 07:11 PM.

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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    . The fact remains however, that the overwhelming majority of Muslim terrorists are of Arab descent.
    Interesting claim. Back it up.
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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    The problem is that while you can profile a typical Islamic radical terrorist as "probably looks like [insert general features description]", doing so has multiple results.

    1. It may increase law enforcement's ability to find Islamic radical terrorists who look something like your generalized description.
    2. It may decrease law enforcement's ability to find Islamic radical terrorists who do NOT look something like your generalized description.
    3. It may cause law enforcement to focus too much attention on those who fit the profile (ties in with #1).


    It is my understanding that a far more effective way to address the issue is to profile behavior, rather than appearance.
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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Not racist. Seems like lefties hunting for butthurt again.

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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    There was already a thread on this and Shannon Breem was responding to a comment made by another panelist. OP just dropped the context in an endless effort to find racism somewhere.

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    Re: Is the following statement racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Interesting claim. Back it up.
    And again, you won't answer my question, even though I answered yours.

    I wonder why that is?????

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