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    Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    For whatever reason, we see that certain races or more prone to certain types of negative and/or illegal activity. Not only that, but certain books like the Bell Curve seem to suggest that certain races are less intelligent that other races. As such, if we are really to look at the world as it is, is a certain amount of racial discrimination justified?

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    For whatever reason, we see that certain races or more prone to certain types of negative and/or illegal activity. Not only that, but certain books like the Bell Curve seem to suggest that certain races are less intelligent that other races. As such, if we are really to look at the world as it is, is a certain amount of racial discrimination justified?
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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    For whatever reason, we see that certain races or more prone to certain types of negative and/or illegal activity. Not only that, but certain books like the Bell Curve seem to suggest that certain races are less intelligent that other races. As such, if we are really to look at the world as it is, is a certain amount of racial discrimination justified?
    Not at a legal level, and it's not "justified" at a personal level, but there will always be differences in people wrt different characteristics, whether skin color, intellectual capabilities, natural talents, or proficiencies. We can't change that, but we can insure that we are all treated equally under the law.
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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Not at a legal level, and it's not "justified" at a personal level, but there will always be differences in people wrt different characteristics, whether skin color, intellectual capabilities, natural talents, or proficiencies. We can't change that, but we can insure that we are all treated equally under the law.
    Why would it not be justified at a personal level if indeed the characteristics and aptitudes are different on a racial basis? Or are you saying that they are not different on the racial level?

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Why would it not be justified at a personal level if indeed the characteristics and aptitudes are different on a racial basis? Or are you saying that they are not different on the racial level?
    I don't think they ARE different on a racial basis, at least not as a broad blanket statement would show. To me, there's no problem with recognizing that differences exist, but to act upon those differences is something that is a problem.
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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I don't think they ARE different on a racial basis, at least not as a broad blanket statement would show.
    It is not clear to me what you mean by "not as a broad blanket statement would show." Let me ask it like this, are you saying that data, such as that which has been put forward in "Bell Curve", which indicates that blacks are less intelligent than other races is wrong? There is also data taken from standardized test scores that consistently show that black children are at the bottom compared to other races. Are you saying that this data is wrong or flawed?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To me, there's no problem with recognizing that differences exist, but to act upon those differences is something that is a problem.
    If the differences are indeed there, it does not make sense to act as if they are not. Doesn't that seem unnatural to you?

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post


    If the differences are indeed there, it does not make sense to act as if they are not. Doesn't that seem unnatural to you?
    Well, acting on differences which are applied to an entire race, is faulty. There are no characteristics which are explicitly race-specific. At least none that I am aware of. Do you have something in mind?
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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, acting on differences which are applied to an entire race, is faulty.
    It may be faulty, but we live in an extremely complicated world, and as a result humans, because of their limited intelligence are forced to generalize. When we do so we indeed may miss the specifics, but it does allow us to function, because it is simply not possible to assess everything that we observe in it's fine detail. The point is, generalization is necessary, and if certain races do indeed in reality possess certain positive and/or negative traits, then some discrimination, even at a personal level is unavoidable.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There are no characteristics which are explicitly race-specific. At least none that I am aware of. Do you have something in mind?
    So why do you think black children consistently score less than other children on standardized tests? Don't you think this indicates, that blacks as a group, are less intelligent than other races?

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