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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Anyone is free to discriminate in his private affairs against anyone he wants, for any reason whatever. Nothing says we have to live cheek by jowl with people of another race, especially if we know a disproportionate number of those people are criminals. We would probably want to associate with a person of that race only if we knew that person was all right.

    From a legal standpoint, nothing in the Constitution absolutely prohibits government from discriminating by race. But if an action does discriminate by race, it will be unconstitutional unless the government can show it is necessary to achieve some compelling government purpose. That is very hard to do, but not impossible. The best example is probably President Roosevelt's internment of persons of Japanese ancestry during WWII, which the Supreme Court upheld in the Korematsu case.

    If a police agency needed someone to infiltrate a white supremacist biker gang that was trafficking in drugs and guns, would it be justified in giving this plum job and the large pay bonus that went with it to a white officer instead of a more experienced, higher-ranking black officer? Isn't race discrimination always wrong?

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Anyone is free to discriminate in his private affairs against anyone he wants, for any reason whatever. Nothing says we have to live cheek by jowl with people of another race, especially if we know a disproportionate number of those people are criminals. We would probably want to associate with a person of that race only if we knew that person was all right.

    From a legal standpoint, nothing in the Constitution absolutely prohibits government from discriminating by race. But if an action does discriminate by race, it will be unconstitutional unless the government can show it is necessary to achieve some compelling government purpose. That is very hard to do, but not impossible. The best example is probably President Roosevelt's internment of persons of Japanese ancestry during WWII, which the Supreme Court upheld in the Korematsu case.

    If a police agency needed someone to infiltrate a white supremacist biker gang that was trafficking in drugs and guns, would it be justified in giving this plum job and the large pay bonus that went with it to a white officer instead of a more experienced, higher-ranking black officer? Isn't race discrimination always wrong?
    Don't let me put words in your mouth, but you feel that racial discrimination is sometimes justified. Right?

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Discrimination justifiable- No-
    You used an example of a fellow coming out of a store, beaten and robbed by blacks.
    I am white, I see a gang of whites that look like trouble, I cross the street or turn around.
    I am one that is aware of his surroundings.
    Why not if there are actual differences?

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Don't let me put words in your mouth, but you feel that racial discrimination is sometimes justified. Right?
    Of course I do. I also believe we should profile anyone entering the U.S. from certain predominately Muslim countries, and feel no need to apologize about it.

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Why not if there are actual differences?
    I decided based my perception of threat, past experiences, but not on color. Your example is wide open for interpretation. A number of variable come into play.
    Note- Appears this OP & your questions is similar to being a lab rat in some class experiment.
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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Of course I do. I also believe we should profile anyone entering the U.S. from certain predominately Muslim countries, and feel no need to apologize about it.
    No need to apologize. Thanks for the honest answer. That is not to say that I necessarily agree with you tho.

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I decided based my perception of threat, past experiences, but not on color. Your example is wide open for interpretation. A number of variable come into play.
    Wide open for interpretation? A number of variables come into play? Please elaborate.

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    But why would some individual discrimination NOT be justifiable IF the differences do indeed exist?
    Hm. Well, why would it be?



    [[It is worth noting in this context that SCOTUS has said that it can be, but in reverse - specifically in the context of written tests for advancement. Blacks, I suppose, they felt, were too stupid, or too incapable, or too 'something' to succeed on their own, and so tests which produce "disparate impact" are illegal. That is less "discrimination against blacks for having lower group IQ scores" than it is "discrimination against non-blacks for having higher group IQ scores", but it seems germane to the question.]]



    The kind of discrimination I can see being justified is usually surrounding questions of security. For example, I believe it is insane that we insist on searching 80 year old grandmothers from Idaho on our "random list" while waving through Abu McJihad returning from Yemen after his adult conversion to Islam. That is a form of discrimination that I think is justified because of the competing rights involved. One example pertaining to blacks (though not to intelligence) also pertains to security. Young black males in large cities tend to have a hard time hailing cabs at night, as cab drivers perceive a greater possibility that they will be robbed. This came out a while back and everyone was quick to cry "Racism!" until we found out that black cab drivers also avoided picking up young black males at night in large cities, perceiving a greater possibility that they would be robbed.

    Not knowing the stats on cab robberies at the time, I don't know how well I could defend that rationally - but the important point is that both are cases of discrimination based on risk, which I feel can be legitimate (see first example). That is also why I oppose the application of "disparate impact" rulings especially to functions that deal with security, such as fire-fighters and police.

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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Wide open for interpretation? A number of variables come into play? Please elaborate.
    How many,are they threatening, personal experience, location, are their others on the street- are you alone, and on and on.
    Now please answer my lab rat question.
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    Re: Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    One example pertaining to blacks (though not to intelligence) also pertains to security. Young black males in large cities tend to have a hard time hailing cabs at night, as cab drivers perceive a greater possibility that they will be robbed. This came out a while back and everyone was quick to cry "Racism!" until we found out that black cab drivers also avoided picking up young black males at night in large cities, perceiving a greater possibility that they would be robbed.

    Not knowing the stats on cab robberies at the time, I don't know how well I could defend that rationally - but the important point is that both are cases of discrimination based on risk, which I feel can be legitimate (see first example).
    Now we are getting somewhere. In your example, the assessment of "risk" is based on race. So do you think it is possible that sometimes racial discrimination is justified?

    BTW, I wish I had thought of that example. It is a good one and illustrates why the question is indeed very difficult.
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