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Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

Is racial discrimination sometimes justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 15 83.3%

  • Total voters
    18
Hm. Trying to be precise then:

If they are deliberately engaged in discrimination, then that is an act that can be said to be justified or not as discrimination.

If they are engaged in an act in which unconscious discrimination plays a role, then not so much.

All right. So let me ask you this. Can a person be deliberately engaged in discrimination, and not be aware that they are deliberately engaged in discrimination?
 
What if you are a Human Resource Director for a highly technical, scientific firm.
My guess is most ehtnic backrounds would be Oriental, then white, and then
black. Should that Human Resource Director be charged with discrimination. Of
course, it is the job of a Human Resource Director to discriminate.

Yep. But that IS NOT NECESSARILY discrimination based on race. It could be GPA, experience, and ability. But it could also be, discrimination based on race. One would have to examine the matter to make the determination. That said, your guess, and I most certainly agree with it, is most certainly discrimination made on the basis of race. We both did that. Is that justified? That is the question.
 
Yep. But that IS NOT NECESSARILY discrimination based on race. It could be GPA, experience, and ability. But it could also be, discrimination based on race. One would have to examine the matter to make the determination. That said, your guess, and I most certainly agree with it, is most certainly discrimination made on the basis of race. We both did that. Is that justified? That is the question.



I based ny statement on the fact that International Standardized IQ testing
for various ethnicities reveals Orientals to have average IQs of 110, white
Euro/American average IQs of 100, and African averege IQs 90 and under.
I understand the possibility of WASP contamination of test design, but also
feel that logic, math, art, and basic skills are valid tools for test design. That
being said, a shortcoming in one area of testing may completely ignore an excess
in an area, intentionally or unintentionally, not tested. I don't think IQ testing
deals with emotions, physical advantage, or sensory perception. Also, exceptions
are manifeest in every area, by every race. Knowing these stated facts, if I were a
Human Resource Director in charge of hiring, l would definitely have ethnic prejudices
and they would not be subliminal, but an overt tool of the job. It could be called rascism.
It could be called discrimination. It could be called doing the job.
 
For whatever reason, we see that certain races or more prone to certain types of negative and/or illegal activity. Not only that, but certain books like the Bell Curve seem to suggest that certain races are less intelligent that other races. As such, if we are really to look at the world as it is, is a certain amount of racial discrimination justified?

Racism is never justified, however discriminating against undesirable behaviors may be. Because a particular race may culturally accept certain behaviors that are deemed undesirable by the public at large doesn't mean that the rejection of those behaviors reflect racism.
 
I based ny statement on the fact that International Standardized IQ testing
for various ethnicities reveals Orientals to have average IQs of 110, white
Euro/American average IQs of 100, and African averege IQs 90 and under.
I understand the possibility of WASP contamination of test design, but also
feel that logic, math, art, and basic skills are valid tools for test design. That
being said, a shortcoming in one area of testing may completely ignore an excess
in an area, intentionally or unintentionally, not tested. I don't think IQ testing
deals with emotions, physical advantage, or sensory perception. Also, exceptions
are manifeest in every area, by every race. Knowing these stated facts, if I were a
Human Resource Director in charge of hiring, l would definitely have ethnic prejudices
and they would not be subliminal, but an overt tool of the job. It could be called rascism.
It could be called discrimination. It could be called doing the job.

I agreed with your statement because it is consistent with my experience. The thing is this, I did it without realizing that I had just discriminated based on race. That did not occur to me until I started replying to your post. That's why I say people can indeed discriminate based on race without realizing that they are doing it.

I just took my son out to get an icee. On the way I had a realization. What if someone had my son and was threatening to kill him if I did not answer a question correctly. What if the question was what is racial/ethnic makeup of a certain high tech firm. What if I was given three choices and told that one of those answers was the correct one. One of the choices would be the make up you described. At that point, I would be forced to actually do some discriminating because I would want to make sure I picked the most likely answer. I think that racial discrimination, in that case, is justified. Therefore I cannot honestly say that racial discrimination is NEVER justified.
 
Racism is never justified, however discriminating against undesirable behaviors may be. Because a particular race may culturally accept certain behaviors that are deemed undesirable by the public at large doesn't mean that the rejection of those behaviors reflect racism.

It is true that such rejection does not necessarily reflect racism. However, if not all of the members of the race accept that, and the public at large treats all the members of that race as if they accept that behavior, then that is certainly unjust to those members of the race who do not accept the undesirable behavior.
 
I feel like this thread is only white people talking about nonwhites. When I went to high school it was mixed 60 percent black and the rest white with some immigrants like latinos from Argentina and Mexico. I remember the whites were really dumb, like they couldn't see three dimensional line drawings of a cube. Not only that but they seemed proud if of their ineptness. On the other hand, if I was drawing in a class, because I have good hand Eye coordination, if a black saw my drawing, they liked it. So my understanding is that nonwhites have greater appreciation of art in many cases, whereas normal whites only think about money. For instance in Mexico you can pay taxes with artwork to stay out of prison. Obviously most of the modern music from brazil and USA and Americas has strong Afrocentric motivation.
 
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