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Should the West place troops on the ground to take out terrorists?

Should the West place troops on the ground to take out terrorists?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • No

    Votes: 22 73.3%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Total voters
    30
Glen Contrarian said:
Depends on whom you ask. For instance, who was it that deposed the democratically-elected president of Iraq and installed the Shah in his place?

That was us.

It was because they were about to nationalize the oil production, and our oil companies didn't like that.

Tell me, if you lived in a nation whose democratically-elected president was overthrown by another nation which put a despot in the seat of power instead, what would you think about that other nation?
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Really? did the create Wahhabism?
 
Cephus said:
It's been going on a lot longer than 2002. What happened might have made it worse, it didn't cause the problem. Certainly it didn't cause those Muslim animals to fly airplanes into buildings prior to that invasion of Iraq.
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Y'know, one wonders if OBL would have really wanted to commit the 9/11 attack if we hadn't overthrown the entire freaking democratically-elected government of Iraq back in the 1950's and installed a puppet dictator instead.

In other words, when you start saying, "They started it!", first make sure that they really were the ones who started it.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Again, doesn't matter - he was still a right-wing extremist.
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Nope it does matter, you were wrong, he was not a member of a Militia, and what about "Ted" Kaczynski, what about bill Aryers are they not left wing extremists?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
maybe the reason it has not been tried is because the idea flies in the face of everything we stand for.
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Then we die. Sometimes you have to fight for your life.
 
JANFU said:
First you state it has been shown to work, now it is???????????????????????? what - Where has it been tried?
So what is it?
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Quote where I said it has been shown to work.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Y'know, one wonders if OBL would have really wanted to commit the 9/11 attack if we hadn't overthrown the entire freaking democratically-elected government of Iraq back in the 1950's and installed a puppet dictator instead.

In other words, when you start saying, "They started it!", first make sure that they really were the ones who started it.
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Oh, if you want to go back in history, you have to go back to post-WWI where the west simply drew a bunch of line son a map and declared this to be the Middle East. Then they took a bunch of ignorant Bedouin in Saudi Arabia, said they needed someone to negotiate with and declared them the ruling family. Yes, there have been tons of problem, lots of mistakes, but you can't go back and fix them, you have to live in the now. How do we solve these problems now. Be sure to let us all know your solutions without whining about how awful the past was, won't you?
 
Question. When you are looking for ONE guy amoung 100,000, what do you do? Harass and disrupt all 100,000 with 10,000 troops hunting that one guy? Or do you send in 10 guys, with lose morals, and bribe money?
 
Cephus said:
Then you'll get mowed under by the rising tide of religious fundamentalist terrorism.
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let me ask you somthing

if you were a fighter pilot who shot down an enemy plane, would you also shoot at the pilot who ejected from the plane and was parachuting down to the ground?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
let me ask you somthing

if you were a fighter pilot who shot down an enemy plane, would you also shoot at the pilot who ejected from the plane and was parachuting down to the ground?
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If I knew that pilot would just get back in another plane and come back to kill more people, damn straight.
 
Cephus said:
Quote where I said it has been shown to work.
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Cephus said:
We're not doing it out of the blue, we're doing it as the only solution to terrorism. These people cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be convinced that they're wrong, they aren't afraid of dying, their purpose is to convert the world by force to their religion and nothing less is acceptable to them. If we stop bothering them, they won't stop. The only thing that will stop them is the death of every single extremist Muslim on the planet. Before doing that, I'd rather try something a little less drastic. Nothing less drastic than killing their families has been shown to work.
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Here - Post number 54
 
Cephus said:
We're not doing it out of the blue, we're doing it as the only solution to terrorism. These people cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be convinced that they're wrong, they aren't afraid of dying, their purpose is to convert the world by force to their religion and nothing less is acceptable to them. If we stop bothering them, they won't stop. The only thing that will stop them is the death of every single extremist Muslim on the planet. Before doing that, I'd rather try something a little less drastic. Nothing less drastic than killing their families has been shown to work.
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Bump- Not good with multi -quotes - yet.
 
Declan said:
Are you aware of a location where tens of thousands of terrorists congregate? If you, you should email the CIA or something....
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Referring to ISIS, which operates in a defined territory.
 
Goshin said:
Referring to ISIS, which operates in a defined territory.
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Amongst civilians. I am not sure, but I suspect looking between their legs won't tell you who is who.
 
Declan said:
Amongst civilians. I am not sure, but I suspect looking between their legs won't tell you who is who.
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As long as we insist on sniper-like precision and near-zero collateral losses, no....
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
We are at war with terrorist orginizations, not countries.

i would only support total war in terms of fighting countries. if the terrorists have a government, run a country, have identifiable borders and cities, then i would support a war that uses tactics like area bombing againist the civilian population, they are fair game since they pledge allegiance to the country we are at war with.
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We were at war with Iraq and Afghanistan, which when the war started was governed by the Taliban. We are not at war with any terrorist organization at this time. We are occasionally using drones to kill random people and we are dropping bombs on selected targets in Syria. These two activities are not war. They are a confused foreign policy which will not commit itself to facing our enemies and only involve itself in symbolism. We would rather drone innocents to death than risk taking a prisoner and sending them to Gitmo because that would interfere with the administrations intention to release the terrorists there and close the base.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Where did more innocent people die - in Paris, Columbine, or Sandy Hook? By that metric, it would make more sense to put ground troops in our schools!

Of course that is silly. But so is putting troops on the ground to defeat a word.
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This ^^
 
=Cephus;1064183575]I never said it has been shown to work, only that we ought to try it.
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Cephus said:
We're not doing it out of the blue, we're doing it as the only solution to terrorism. These people cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be convinced that they're wrong, they aren't afraid of dying, their purpose is to convert the world by force to their religion and nothing less is acceptable to them. If we stop bothering them, they won't stop. The only thing that will stop them is the death of every single extremist Muslim on the planet. Before doing that, I'd rather try something a little less drastic. Nothing less drastic than killing their families has been shown to work.
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Read your post. It s crystal clear.
 
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