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    Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    This subject is an open wound, but I feel that in light of recent events I have been troubled by questions similar to the one that I am about to ask.

    I can see the appeal of viewing the war on terror in terms of good and evil. I can imagine that there are some people out there who have the perspective that the United States and the rest of the free world are in a battle with radical extremists who follow a religion that is opposed to the values that form the basis of western civilization.

    However I do not think it is that simple. I can imagine that a few hundred or a thousand people are purely motivated by the aggressive desire to force their fanatical believes upon the world. But I find it impossible to fathom that the second largest religion on the planet, with up to a billion followers, is completly comprised of fanatical killers. Groups like al Qaeda and ISIS commit atrocities so inhuman that it makes one wonder what makes average people want to join them.

    That is when Abu gharaib becomes relevant to the discusion.

    The question of this poll is this: is the war on terror a conflict that has both sides of the conflict partly responsible for escalating the conflict? Is there a Abu ghraib responsible for radicalizing someone to retaliate With a ssuicide bombing?
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
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    I ask the question in the hope of serious discussion.
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I ask the question in the hope of serious discussion.
    That was a serious answer. Think about it a bit.
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This subject is an open wound, but I feel that in light of recent events I have been troubled by questions similar to the one that I am about to ask.

    I can see the appeal of viewing the war on terror in terms of good and evil. I can imagine that there are some people out there who have the perspective that the United States and the rest of the free world are in a battle with radical extremists who follow a religion that is opposed to the values that form the basis of western civilization.

    However I do not think it is that simple. I can imagine that a few hundred or a thousand people are purely motivated by the aggressive desire to force their fanatical believes upon the world. But I find it impossible to fathom that the second largest religion on the planet, with up to a billion followers, is completly comprised of fanatical killers. Groups like al Qaeda and ISIS commit atrocities so inhuman that it makes one wonder what makes average people want to join them.

    That is when Abu gharaib becomes relevant to the discusion.

    The question of this poll is this: is the war on terror a conflict that has both sides of the conflict partly responsible for escalating the conflict? Is there a Abu ghraib responsible for radicalizing someone to retaliate With a ssuicide bombing?

    If these monsters were only killing solders, or the people who ran Abu-grab-an-Arab(Abu gharaib) prison then you might have a point.However most of the victims of these terrorists are other Muslims and middle easterners that don't have dick to dith Abu Gharab prison.
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    That prison holds ENEMY COMBATANTS. They are by definition different from criminals. Now, yeah, it's sad and it sucks that a few (FEW) people there are actually innocent, just victims of circumstance. The same can be said of ANY prison, ANYWHERE, EVER. That a few get screwed is no reason to trash the concept.


    Would it have been better to make them all eat a bullet? Again, enemy combatants. These are people who have declared war on USA. Regardless of their actual ability to engage us, the intent is clear. A simple criminal, be they a thief, murderer, rapist, serial killer, what have you...they are not declaring war against the US. These people have, and ARE.

    So again, would all of those enemy combatants stewing in their cells be better off had we simply shot them on their CHOSEN field of battle?
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    All things that are a part of this war on terror are fueling it. Whether it is 9/11, Abu Ghraib, Mumbai attacks, invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan, Guantanamo bay, Madrid attacks, etc. etc. etc.

    But so is poverty and poor education and a whole host of other issues that fuel this war on terror and the terror itself.
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Sadly brutal terrorist atacks can lead to a circle of violence. That of course countries have the right to defend themself and strike back against terrorists. But sadly after a horrific events like 9/11 it can be too little debate and thoughs about how and why you strike back against terrorists.

    You need of course to capture terrorists, but for example paying huge bounties to warlords for capturing terrorist and then don't have a court or law or other process to check that it was really terrorist that got captured can lead to more innocent people imprisoned. Also you can discuse if torture is really usefull mean of getting information and if you believe in torture you atleast need to see it is done in a proffesionell maner. Because tortured prisoners will always be a propaganda tool for the terrorists escpecielly if you have pictures of prisoners forced to lay naked in big piles or in dog leash. Also then you thinking of going to war you really have to disuse the reason and method. Because it seems with the Iraq war it was both faulty intilligence for going to war and at the same time the Bush administration didn't have a good plan to create a stable, peacfull and prosperous Iraq. That the failures in Iraq became both a propaganda tool as well as breeding ground for terrorists.
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Are you limiting your question to the most recent events?

    I ask because the prison and the abuses occurred after the 9/11 attacks so if you are going to ask "Are we to blame" you will need to qualify your question.

    If you think "we are to blame" please tell us why they hated us so much before the abuses happened to attack the twin towers.

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I ask the question in the hope of serious discussion.
    Is there any bad thing that you believe America isn't to blame for?
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