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Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

Do atrocities such as Abu gharaib fuel the escalating war on terror?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 27.8%

  • No

    Votes: 10 55.6%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Albatross!

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • Total voters
    18
Fletch said:
Good thing Obama ended all that, yet the violence and hatred and the growth of the radicals hasn't slowed but only increased. Why is that? I mean Abu Gharaib was what? Ten years ago? Perhaps the increase in radicalism and growth of radical groups has less to do with that than it does drone strikes that have killed hundreds if not thousands.
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And if you'd do something completely different and actually research what's going on there, the growth of ISIS had little to do with the fact that we weren't there anymore and everything to do with the fact that the majority-Shi'a government was pushing all the Sunnis out of the government.

There's a book you should read: "The Shi'a Revival" by Vali Nasr. Nasr was a professor at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School, and the book was recommended reading for all U.S. Navy officers. In that book you find a quote by Zarkawi, who was at that time the 2nd-in-command of al-Qaeda under OBL. He says, "Keep up the fight against America and the Zionists, but remember that the real enemy is the apostate Shi'a."

That's not an exact quote, but the meaning is precisely the same. We - America and Israel - are the EXCUSE. The real battle, in the eyes of Sunni extremists, is against the Shi'a (and, to a lesser extent, against all Muslims but are not Sunni - hence their attacks against the Kurds).

Okay? Next time, please LEARN the issue first...because you're not getting all the necessary information that you need to make an informed decision if you only listen to right-wing sources and the MSM.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
And if you'd do something completely different and actually research what's going on there, the growth of ISIS had little to do with the fact that we weren't there anymore and everything to do with the fact that the majority-Shi'a government was pushing all the Sunnis out of the government.

There's a book you should read: "The Shi'a Revival" by Vali Nasr. Nasr was a professor at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School, and the book was recommended reading for all U.S. Navy officers. In that book you find a quote by Zarkawi, who was at that time the 2nd-in-command of al-Qaeda under OBL. He says, "Keep up the fight against America and the Zionists, but remember that the real enemy is the apostate Shi'a."

That's not an exact quote, but the meaning is precisely the same. We - America and Israel - are the EXCUSE. The real battle, in the eyes of Sunni extremists, is against the Shi'a (and, to a lesser extent, against all Muslims but are not Sunni - hence their attacks against the Kurds).

Okay? Next time, please LEARN the issue first...because you're not getting all the necessary information that you need to make an informed decision if you only listen to right-wing sources and the MSM.
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Well, you wrote a lot of words, but really added nothing and didn't address what I said. So, next time try and focus and actually respond to the person you are quoting and not just ramble on with meaningless words and sentences. Dialing back the arrogance wouldn't hurt either.
 
Fletch said:
Well, you wrote a lot of words, but really added nothing and didn't address what I said. So, next time try and focus and actually respond to the person you are quoting and not just ramble on with meaningless words and sentences. Dialing back the arrogance wouldn't hurt either.
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No, I responded quite well to your question...because your question evinced a very real lack of understanding of what's really going on over there. How can you possibly say what should be done if you don't really understand what's going on?

You seem to be much like George W. Bush when a group of Islamic scholars went to him and tried to talk to him about the Sunni/Shi'a schism. He looked at them and said "What's the difference? They're all Muslim." Or words to that effect.

Until you really understand what's going on over there, you can't know what should or should not be done.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
No, I responded quite well to your question...because your question evinced a very real lack of understanding of what's really going on over there. How can you possibly say what should be done if you don't really understand what's going on?

You seem to be much like George W. Bush when a group of Islamic scholars went to him and tried to talk to him about the Sunni/Shi'a schism. He looked at them and said "What's the difference? They're all Muslim." Or words to that effect.

Until you really understand what's going on over there, you can't know what should or should not be done.
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Since you seem to know all the answers, you go solve the problem. Why are you wasting your time posting here when you should be running the State Department?
 
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