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Thread: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    All things that are a part of this war on terror are fueling it. Whether it is 9/11, Abu Ghraib, Mumbai attacks, invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan, Guantanamo bay, Madrid attacks, etc. etc. etc.

    But so is poverty and poor education and a whole host of other issues that fuel this war on terror and the terror itself.
    What about their radical religion?
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    The abuses at the abu Graib prison absolutely accelerated the radicalization of some Islamist Fundamentalists. This process was additionally enabled by the high-profile, continuous attention it received in many media outlets, who perceived a chance to attack the Bush administration.


    That, for example, is also why this thread is about Abu Ghraib, rather than the Kill Squad.
    Last edited by cpwill; 01-11-15 at 02:08 PM.

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This subject is an open wound, but I feel that in light of recent events I have been troubled by questions similar to the one that I am about to ask.

    I can see the appeal of viewing the war on terror in terms of good and evil. I can imagine that there are some people out there who have the perspective that the United States and the rest of the free world are in a battle with radical extremists who follow a religion that is opposed to the values that form the basis of western civilization.

    However I do not think it is that simple. I can imagine that a few hundred or a thousand people are purely motivated by the aggressive desire to force their fanatical believes upon the world. But I find it impossible to fathom that the second largest religion on the planet, with up to a billion followers, is completly comprised of fanatical killers. Groups like al Qaeda and ISIS commit atrocities so inhuman that it makes one wonder what makes average people want to join them.

    That is when Abu gharaib becomes relevant to the discusion.

    The question of this poll is this: is the war on terror a conflict that has both sides of the conflict partly responsible for escalating the conflict? Is there a Abu ghraib responsible for radicalizing someone to retaliate With a ssuicide bombing?
    Of course the conservatives out there don't want to hear this, but YES, when we do stuff that is incredibly wrong - like torture, and like overthrowing democratically-elected governments and installing a puppet government (like we did in Iraq in the 1950's) - YES, our actions radicalize the locals and perpetuates terrorism against us.
    To do evil, a human being must first of all believe that what hes doing is good" - Solzhenitsyn

    "...with the terrorists, you have to take out their families." - Donald Trump

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What about their radical religion?
    And what is "all things" that are part of this war on terror? Or do you think extremist religion is not one of the things that fuels terror and thus the war on terror which leads to more terror (or so they try).
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And what is "all things" that are part of this war on terror? Or do you think extremist religion is not one of the things that fuels terror and thus the war on terror which leads to more terror (or so they try).
    Obviously you don't.
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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Obviously you don't.
    Obviously you are trying to act like you don't know what "all things" means.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Obviously you are trying to act like you don't know what "all things" means.
    You place more blame on the people fighting the terrorists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Of course the conservatives out there don't want to hear this, but YES, when we do stuff that is incredibly wrong - like torture, and like overthrowing democratically-elected governments and installing a puppet government (like we did in Iraq in the 1950's) - YES, our actions radicalize the locals and perpetuates terrorism against us.
    Good thing Obama ended all that, yet the violence and hatred and the growth of the radicals hasn't slowed but only increased. Why is that? I mean Abu Gharaib was what? Ten years ago? Perhaps the increase in radicalism and growth of radical groups has less to do with that than it does drone strikes that have killed hundreds if not thousands.

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Obviously you are trying to act like you don't know what "all things" means.
    I don't think he's acting.

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    Re: Are we to blame? The relevancy of Abu gharaib in the escalating war on terror

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You place more blame on the people fighting the terrorists.
    No, I do not. You are lying when you claim I place more blame on the people fighting terrorists.

    This thread was about whether Abu Ghraib added to this war. Another thread was about the entire blame and there I voted "all of the above" (which was including Muslim clerics).
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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