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Is this a con artist in action?

Is this a con artist in action?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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notquiteright said:
So explain the rampart drug use/abuse in our society? It cuts across ALL socio-economic groups... from richie rich trust fund babies to investment bankers all the way down to the corner crack whore. Hardly a trait of any political lean nor of a particular upbringing.

Course on the subject of alcohol seems the pre-hippy citizens condoned violent rum runner gangs and illegal speak-easies to get their alcohol fix... not to mention bathtub gin.

I'd suggest we not throw stones while inhabiting a crystal edifice....

But you have always preferred to chunk rocks than do the real research...

Remember the 223 is 'too light' convo???? Your line of argument was pure opinion with no real experience or understanding of a relative simple subject like external ballistics... [emoji14]eace
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I'd argue that when you see regulation and market bans in society you'll get an increase on the banned good. Along with underworld counter markets that cause outlaw groups to initially act as private police fOrces

You see it with drugs, alcohol, firearms everything that can be used for profit that is banned or highly regulated, like tobacco.

The alcohol abuse in Europe I would also argue is purely cultural not a result of socio economic relations; however, what could be a very controversial statistic, we tend to see "overall happiness" rise with economic freedom and production growth.
 
Hatuey said:
I can already see you're having trouble with this. Can you show that communism and alcoholism go together? Your link shows that alcohol consumption in Russia has always been high regardless of the regime in place.
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Their veins run alcohol. It's part of their culture, having nothing to do with the regime.
 
US Conservative said:
This is leftism in action, with Alinsky sprinkling in leftist fail. Sprinkling in truth amongst the fail.

I feel for these native Canadians, not just for their desires but also for their susceptibility to the left.
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Funny how your polls never work out the way you want to slant them.

Sleazy
 
Kobie said:
Alinsky! Everybody drink!
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Bottoms up

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I have read several of these anti-Alinsky posts but no one has provided convincing evidence that Alinsky did anything bad. I have concluded that some conservatives hate him because he helped empower the poor and minorities and conservatives by definition want to maintain the power of the powerful. I appreciate the way Alinsky used humor to make his points,
 
US Conservative said:
They are working out just fine (and I never count non-members votes, so as to mitigate the riff raff). More are to come. :2wave:
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Can't wait to see what you're going to blame "the left" for next! I'm on the edge of the toilet seat.
 
Hard Truth said:
I have read several of these anti-Alinsky posts but no one has provided convincing evidence that Alinsky did anything bad. I have concluded that some conservatives hate him because he helped empower the poor and minorities and conservatives by definition want to maintain the power of the powerful. I appreciate the way Alinsky used humor to make his points,
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He didn't. All Alinsky did was write down a bunch of "tactics" that people trying to get things done have been using for CENTURIES. Right-wing assholes like to pretend Alinsky, who is 40-plus years dead and cannot defend himself from their moronic attacks, actually INVENTED such glorious nuggets as "never go outside the expertise of your people" and "ridicule is a man's most potent weapon." Apparently, nobody made fun of anyone before that Alinsky came along. Plus, his name sounds vaguely Russian and definitely he's a Jewy Jew Jew, so he's an easy target.

The most painfully ironic thing to me is that the right-wingers who scream and bitch the most about "Alinsky tactics" are, to a man, the ones most likely to use those tactics themselves. When it comes to right-wing hacks, it is always, always, ALWAYS projection. 100 percent of the time. Zero exceptions.
 
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US Conservative said:
What we know is that the depersonalization of people under commie govts contributes to alcoholism. It got so bad the commies tried prohibition.

Just goes along with the rest of the fail that is marxism.
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The vast majority of people that lived under communism were not Russians, they were the Chinese and South East Asians, all countries with alcohol consumption rates lower than ours. Correlation does not prove causation, but lack of correlation always disproves causation, so there goes your hypothesis about communism causing alcoholism.
 
US Conservative said:
They are working out just fine (and I never count non-members votes, so as to mitigate the riff raff). More are to come. :2wave:
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Each one is more stupid than the last.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The vast majority of people that lived under communism were not Russians, they were the Chinese and South East Asians, all countries with alcohol consumption rates lower than ours. Correlation does not prove causation, but lack of correlation always disproves causation, so there goes your hypothesis about communism causing alcoholism.
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I am well aware they weren't all Russians-I seem to remember most of the major wars of the last century involving soviet expansion in at least some way-including WW1.

Some interesting info...
How Alcohol Conquered Russia - The Atlantic
“Widespread and excessive alcohol consumption was tolerated, or even encouraged, because of its scope for raising revenue,” Martin McKee wrote in the journal Alcohol & Alcoholism. According to Brown, by the 1850s, vodka sales made up nearly half the Russian government’s tax revenues. Following the Russian Revolution in 1917, Lenin banned vodka. After his death, however, Stalin used vodka sales to help pay for the socialist industrialization of the Soviet Union. By the 1970s, receipts from alcohol again constituted a third of government revenues. One study found that alcohol consumption more than doubled between 1955 and 1979, to 15.2 liters per person.

Some have claimed that heavy consumption of alcohol was also used as a means of reducing political dissent and as a form of political suppression. Russian historian and dissident Zhores Medvedev argued in 1996, “This ‘opium for the masses’ [vodka] perhaps explains how Russian state property could be redistributed and state enterprises transferred into private ownership so rapidly without invoking any serious social unrest.” Vodka, always a moneymaker in Russia, may have been a regime-maker as well.
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The soviets were keeping their people drunk, because they were making a killing off of it. Charming, isn't it?
 
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