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Was Senator McConnell Correct...

Was Senator McConnell correct?

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when he said this:

"After so many years of sluggish growth, we’re finally starting to see some economic data that can provide a glimmer of hope the uptick appears to coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration’s long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress."​

 
The economy was in an upswing before the GOP took control of the Senate, it was up before they won their elections, and it was on the up before pollsters and pundits grew confident of a GOP win.

What evidence does McConnell have that the economy improved because the Republicans took control a couple of days ago? Or that it did because they were expected to win?
 
I think you're misinterpreting it. I'm fixing your quote for you.

"After so many years of sluggish growth, we're finally starting to see some economic data that can provide a glimmer of hope. The uptick appears to coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration's long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress. So this is precisely the time to advance a positive pro-growth agenda. Some of the measures the new Congress......"

The very slight change in the economy is occuring at the same time that the new Republican Congress is taking shape, thus the pressure is doubly on them to push forward a "pro-growth" agenda.
 
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ToastyOats said:
The economy was in an upswing before the GOP took control of the Senate, it was up before they won their elections, and it was on the up before pollsters and pundits grew confident of a GOP win.

What evidence does McConnell have that the economy improved because the Republicans took control a couple of days ago? Or that it did because they were expected to win?
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I don't have a dog in this particular fight but thought that you should remember that the first 2 years of Obama Presidency was under Democrat control, Conners here could be referring to the upswing of repubs after that 2 year term. So its prolly not just this last election cycle that he's talking about.

Possible. Food for thought anyways....
 
Kal'Stang said:
I don't have a dog in this particular fight but thought that you should remember that the first 2 years of Obama Presidency was under Democrat control, Conners here could be referring to the upswing of repubs after that 2 year term. So its prolly not just this last election cycle that he's talking about.

Possible. Food for thought anyways....
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Perhaps you should learn the Senate Majority Leaders name.:roll:
 
pbrauer said:
Perhaps you should learn the Senate Majority Leaders name.:roll:
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:roll: McConnell, whatever. I posted that while I was supposed to be working and wasn't paying that close of attention to the name. So sue me. :roll:
 
I love when politicians take credit they have nothing to do with. Kinda like whem the GOP claimed that gas prices being high 2 years ago was the fault of Obama, but now when its at record lows its really quiet....
 
Fiddytree said:
I think you're misinterpreting it. I'm fixing your quote for you.

"After so many years of sluggish growth, we're finally starting to see some economic data that can provide a glimmer of hope. The uptick appears to coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration's long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress. So this is precisely the time to advance a positive pro-growth agenda. Some of the measures the new Congress......"

The very slight change in the economy is occuring at the same time that the new Republican Congress is taking shape, thus the pressure is doubly on them to push forward a "pro-growth" agenda.
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Really, it's just the political grandstanding that we've unfortunately come to expect. Of course, the true believers will eat it up ("We're so awesome, we didn't even need actual policies to make the economy automatically better!")
 
Best job growth in 15 years and McConnell is now taking credit after the fact.
Who would have guessed--I did and predicted it just after the election.

The real sad part is that GOP posters will now change from bashing Obama's economy to repeating GOP talking points.
And GOP voters will never know the difference .
 
rocket88 said:
Really, it's just the political grandstanding that we've unfortunately come to expect. Of course, the true believers will eat it up ("We're so awesome, we didn't even need actual policies to make the economy automatically better!")
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I think I am disagreeing with you. It was political grandstanding, but of the sort that is mostly ceremonial in nature. McConnell is simply saying their opportunity to shine is now.
 
NIMBY said:
Best job growth in 15 years and McConnell is now taking credit after the fact.
Who would have guessed--I did and predicted it just after the election.

The real sad part is that GOP posters will now change from bashing Obama's economy to repeating GOP talking points.
And GOP voters will never know the difference .
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That's really not much of a change, it was talking points before too.
 
Fiddytree said:
I think I am disagreeing with you. It was political grandstanding, but of the sort that is mostly ceremonial in nature. McConnell is simply saying their opportunity to shine is now.
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Well, they don't need actual policies. Just being around made things automatically better.

He's more full of **** than a 2 year old's diaper.
 
rocket88 said:
Well, they don't need actual policies. Just being around made things automatically better.

He's more full of **** than a 2 year old's diaper.
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That's not what he was saying. Listen to it again. He is clearly saying that the positive economic signs are coming together at the same time that there is a huge change in the balance of power at Washington, and that it is their responsibility to push forward their agenda to make it better.

It's standard grandstanding, but hardly doing what has been assumed in this thread. It doesn't help that Pete screwed up the quote and omitted the next sentence. Now every liberal in this thread sees something that wasn't there.
 
And revenues from those first two years were way down due to the massive Bush job loss.

Yet the GOP continues to dishonestly lay the deficit from the two years you mention on Obama's doorstep, when they caused so much of it .

Kal'Stang said:
I don't have a dog in this particular fight but thought that you should remember that the first 2 years of Obama Presidency was under Democrat control, Conners here could be referring to the upswing of repubs after that 2 year term. So its prolly not just this last election cycle that he's talking about.

Possible. Food for thought anyways....
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McConnell and now many other GOPs are indeed moving their messaging war to take credit for Obama's economy.
They could no longer deny 321,000 jobs in NOV. and 252,000 jobs in DEC. along with the 2nd and 3rd quarter GDP numbers, just for starters .


rocket88 said:
Well, they don't need actual policies. Just being around made things automatically better.

He's more full of **** than a 2 year old's diaper.
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NIMBY said:
And revenues from those first two years were way down due to the massive Bush job loss.

Yet the GOP continues to dishonestly lay the deficit from the two years you mention on Obama's doorstep, when they caused so much of it .
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Traditionally with any other president the first year of their presidency could be blamed on the previous admin. Yet for some reason that doesn't seem to apply to Obama, why is that?

However, in reality the job loss and the bubble crisis can be traced back across SEVERAL presidents. Both Republican and Democrat. But we won't mention that huh? We'll just continue to be partisan hacks and always blame the other side, no matter the reality. Right? :roll:
 
Kal'Stang said:
Traditionally with any other president the first year of their presidency could be blamed on the previous admin. Yet for some reason that doesn't seem to apply to Obama, why is that?

However, in reality the job loss and the bubble crisis can be traced back across SEVERAL presidents. Both Republican and Democrat. But we won't mention that huh? We'll just continue to be partisan hacks and always blame the other side, no matter the reality. Right? :roll:
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Just exactly who on this board are you accusing of being a partisan hack with the way your rightie friends are acting right now, Kal.
As lying GOP Senators now take credit for the Obama economy after damning it for six years.

It's your GOPs not taking credit for the disaster they left us with decreased revenues and the resulting increased deficits.
And lying about Obama losing those 2.2 million jobs his first three months
And then your strawman going back to several Presidents--lame at best.

And why no discussion of decreased revenues left from the Bush administration or any other specific points I made?
I won't hold my breath for a nonpartisan/bipartisan response from you .
 
Fiddytree said:
I think you're misinterpreting it. I'm fixing your quote for you.

"After so many years of sluggish growth, we're finally starting to see some economic data that can provide a glimmer of hope. The uptick appears to coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration's long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress. So this is precisely the time to advance a positive pro-growth agenda. Some of the measures the new Congress......"

The very slight change in the economy is occuring at the same time that the new Republican Congress is taking shape, thus the pressure is doubly on them to push forward a "pro-growth" agenda.
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That's untrue, he is implying that because the Republicans won Congress, thats the reason for the uptick.
 
pbrauer said:
That's untrue, he is implying that because the Republicans won Congress, thats the reason for the uptick.
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That's rather desperate of you.
 
pbrauer said:
when he said this:
"After so many years of sluggish growth, we’re finally starting to see some economic data that can provide a glimmer of hope the uptick appears to coincide with the biggest political change of the Obama administration’s long tenure in Washington: the expectation of a new Republican Congress."​

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Mitch McConnell says economic uptick coincides with expectation of GOP Senate takeover | PolitiFact

First, the third quarter covers July, August and September. So the bulk of this growth occurred before the expectation of a GOP Senate began to jell. Second, GDP growth for the second quarter -- covering April, May and June of 2014 -- was almost as impressive, 4.6 percent. And that was well before the "expectation" of a GOP takeover seemed to take hold. (In fact, for much of that quarter, the New York Times model showed the Democrats likelier to win control than the Republicans.)
Indeed, the longer-term trend for GDP growth shows that three of the past five quarters -- that is, since mid 2013 -- have exceeded 4 percent growth, and another quarter came close to that. Only one quarter, the first quarter of 2014, was a dud. So it’s not as if the impressive third-quarter growth of 2014 came totally out of the blue
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Fiddytree said:
That's rather desperate of you.
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No, it isn't.

Mitch McConnell says economic uptick coincides with expectation of GOP Senate takeover | PolitiFact

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What's desperate is people defending that McConnell didn't indeed continue with the
GOP messaging war that they are to credit for the economy turning around.

Not to mention the economy turning around in spite of the all-time leader of filibusters completely obstructing the process of amendments.

And this time, DEMs aren't sitting on their hands, fighting back against the obvious lies being spewed by McConnell and Norquist .

Fiddytree said:
That's rather desperate of you.
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Fiddytree said:
Oh God. The "fact checkers" again.

For goodness sakes, guys. Listen to the clip.

1. Development A

2. Development B

They take place roughly the same time.

Golly gee, this means we should get stuff done to push the economy forward.
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You are correct that it is entirely possible that he meant only that they happened the same time. He would be wrong about it, but that is entirely possible that is what he meant. I suspect he was trying to imply that the reason for the upswing was the expectation, but he did say "coincide". It is irrelevant to the accuracy of his statement, since in fact they do not coincide however.

Edit: and for pb...this is why you should never overstate your case. Fiddy is correct in stating he did not claim it as a cause, and imply requires reading his mind. If you stick to what is simply verifiable, then you do not give people this legitimate complaint about what you said.
 
Fiddytree said:
Oh God. The "fact checkers" again.

For goodness sakes, guys. Listen to the clip.

1. Development A

2. Development B

They take place roughly the same time.

Golly gee, this means we should get stuff done to push the economy forward.
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Without the lies of 'dynamic scoring', I agree .
 
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