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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    If you are forced to participate in a gay wedding, that is a loss of religious freedom. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand. What part of "free exercise thereof" do you not understand?
    No one has ever been forced to participate in any wedding they didn't want to. They may have been fined for not doing something such as taking a customer who wanted a photographer to photograph their wedding or baking a cake for them, but that is no different than a photographer or baker who refuses to do the same for an interracial couple getting married or a Muslim or Jewish wedding. You are the one that fails to understand that rights are balanced. If you choose to run a business, then you must do so without discriminating based even on your religious beliefs. Otherwise, don't open a business to the public.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by HK.227 View Post
    The likeliness that litigation against churches who refuse to perform marriages for particular demograhics will be succesful.
    No, there is no likeliness of litigation against churches for refusing to provide a marriage ceremony since churches have been refusing to perform wedding ceremonies for a very long time without such litigation. A case just in the past two years or less had a church that refused to perform a wedding for a black couple because they were black despite them actually being members of that church. No litigation because it is a church's right to participate in even such blatant discrimination when it comes to their ceremonies. You have no evidence to the contrary.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?
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    Until equal rights was given to gays in large ways, personally, Ive never heard this argument which i consider to be completely irrational, a simple fear tactic and conspiracy theory.

    I see no rational basis for this fear based on equal rights for gays since there are rights, laws, the constitution and countless court case precedences blocking something this stupid.

    I havent met one person that thinks churches should be forced and the reality is churches already (before gay rights) legally discriminate on marriages probably in the 1000s a day in this country and always have.

    They have against straight couples, gay couples, based on race, based on religion etc etc etc
    why now, magically, will this change?
    why was it not a fear when minority rights were granted? womans rights? and its never been a fear based on religious discrimination?

    I see ZERO logic in something so absurd BUT, I'm very curious how many people fear this lunacy and thier reasonings . . . maybe im missing something completely logical. SO far I havent seen any, so please share if it happens youll get to do a big I TOLD YOU SO lol

    anyway my vote is no . . HELL NO lol

    also FYI if i ever did see it as a reasonable possibility i would fight my way to the front of the line to fight it tooth and nail!
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You/we don't. That is up to God to determine. We take people at their word. This is why it is stupid to claim that so and so isn't a Christian, because that isn't your place to say. If they claim Christianity as their religion, then they are a Christian. It is for God or any other higher power out there to determine otherwise, not other people.
    You're right, it is up to God to determine what is in a person's heart. But God also instructs us to discern. So no, one cannot claim the mantle of Christianity, while at the same time demonstrating behavior, or teachings which run contrary to the teachings of Christ. Not only is that plain logic, but it is a theme repeated in the Bible time and time again.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No one has ever been forced to participate in any wedding they didn't want to. They may have been fined for not doing something such as taking a customer who wanted a photographer to photograph their wedding or baking a cake for them, but that is no different than a photographer or baker who refuses to do the same for an interracial couple getting married or a Muslim or Jewish wedding. You are the one that fails to understand that rights are balanced. If you choose to run a business, then you must do so without discriminating based even on your religious beliefs. Otherwise, don't open a business to the public.
    Being fined for religious freedom runs counter to the First Amendment. What part of "shall make no law" do you not understand?

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You're right, it is up to God to determine what is in a person's heart. But God also instructs us to discern. So no, one cannot claim the mantle of Christianity, while at the same time demonstrating behavior, or teachings which run contrary to the teachings of Christ. Not only is that plain logic, but it is a theme repeated in the Bible time and time again.
    Yes they can claim to be Christian without your approval or definition. You don't have to accept them as Christians, but that doesn't mean others won't accept them as such just because you don't.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Being fined for religious freedom runs counter to the First Amendment. What part of "shall make no law" do you not understand?
    Your religious freedom is balanced by other's freedom to participate in commerce. Claiming that selling something to another person violates your religious beliefs is a copout, an excuse. It could easily be used by Muslims to deny service to all women based on their religious beliefs. Others would claim that their religious beliefs prevent them from serving or employing/associating with people of certain religions or races. This is why you give up the right to use your religious beliefs against others while performing business transactions for protected classifications. You choose to operate a business, which includes operating under public accommodation laws, whether you agree with them or not.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Being fined for religious freedom runs counter to the First Amendment. What part of "shall make no law" do you not understand?
    that didnt happen in any of the examples roguenuke is talking about so theres no worries.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Since it has never happened, no it's not rational. Fearing something that is common, for instance the government forcing churches to NOT marry certain people, is rational

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Over 44% of people in the other thread clicked yes to "churches should be forced to preform gay marriages." Small survey sure and not indicative of the overall population, but if we just say Debate readers/pollsters, then it is clear that this pole should be yes as well.
    Imagine hundreds of years of oppression coming back to bite you in the ass. Revenge is a powerful sentiment. Add poetic justice, and we would see the anti gay types have their own marriages annulled and/or forced into a same sex marriage themselves.
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