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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What do you suppose makes Satan not a Christian? Satan knows who Jesus is, and he knows and fully understands Jesus' importance. By your definition, this would make him a Christian.

    Satan knows what God's will is—probably better than any of us mortals do—and he strives to thwart and undermine it; and to lead as many of God's children as he can to do likewise. This, I say, makes him the most exact opposite of a Christian, and the opposite of an example of what is required of us if we wish to honestly identify as Christians.

    I say that to be a Christian, one must not only know who Jesus is, and to acknowledge his role in our salvation; one must also sincerely try to follow Jesus' teachings and examples, and to act in support of God's will, and to encourage others to do likewise.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    I refuse to vote in this poll without options for my lean and where I'm from.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) false
    2.) also false
    3.) government hasnt forced anybody to perform anything immoral
    4.) since 1, 2, 3 are false and lies 4 also fails
    5.) see #4

    can you make a post that can ever be backed up with facts or anything even accurate and logical


    lets look at some facts in the US:
    number of businesses forced to participate in gay marriages . . . . ZERO
    number of churches forced to do gay marriages . . . ZERO
    1. This is a numbered argument, isolated from whatever it was supposed to be a reply to. I demand that you waste as much time and effort as it takes to come up with an intelligent reply to this point; even though, at this point, you cannot even tell what it is to which I am asking you to reply.
    2. Same as #1.
    3. This is a really, really, really stupid way to reply to a forum post, isn't it?
    4. This is a recursive point. See #4.
    5. No educated or honest person would ever disagree with me. You factually have 100% no argument at all.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    1. This is a numbered argument, isolated from whatever it was supposed to be a reply to. I demand that you waste as much time and effort as it takes to come up with an intelligent reply to this point; even though, at this point, you cannot even tell what it is to which I am asking you to reply.
    2. Same as #1.
    3. This is a really, really, really stupid way to reply to a forum post, isn't it?
    4. This is a recursive point. See #4.
    5. No educated or honest person would ever disagree with me. You factually have 100% no argument at all.
    6. At least I know how to use BBCode to do this more stylishly than you do it. It's still a dumb way to reply, but at least mine looks better.

    translation: you have ZERO facts to support your destroyed false claims and lies in your post so you deflect and try to use failed insults.

    Doesn't help, your post fails and facts win again

    If you disagree as always simply post any facts that support you in your next post, thank you.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I refuse to vote in this poll without options for my lean and where I'm from.

    LOL niiiiiiice
    sorry but i prefer polls that dont instantly fail
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Forced to perform SSM marriages. No.

    Allowed to perform SSM marriages if they want to. Yes.

    No one should be able to force anything on anyone else's religion or congregation that it doesn't want.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    That's not what I asked. How does one determine what another person truly believes, in their heart? Is merely asking enough? Or hearing an alleged testimony? What if someone claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ, yet doesn't conduct themselves in a manner consistent with the teachings of Christ? Are they still a believer? People never lie?
    If you wish to debate me, then you should know that I am not fond of automatically giving people the answers that they want.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    i know what you are doing and i am asking you for examples, thats all and still am?
    I dont understand what you are saying your position is . . .

    are you saying that any religious person that has lied (and lying is forbidden in thier religion) shouldnt be trusted? im not saying you are im simply asking because you havent made it clear what you mean
    Though you may be getting black-and-white on me, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just looking for clarity. I'll answer it with the repeated theme in the New Testament, that by the standard one judges, one shall be judged.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    What do you suppose makes Satan not a Christian? Satan knows who Jesus is, and he knows and fully understands Jesus' importance. By your definition, this would make him a Christian.

    Satan knows what God's will is—probably better than any of us mortals do—and he strives to thwart and undermine it; and to lead as many of God's children as he can to do likewise. This, I say, makes him the most exact opposite of a Christian, and the opposite of an example of what is required of us if we wish to honestly identify as Christians.

    I say that to be a Christian, one must not only know who Jesus is, and to acknowledge his role in our salvation; one must also sincerely try to follow Jesus' teachings and examples, and to act in support of God's will, and to encourage others to do likewise.
    Okay. What does that mean, "to acknowledge his role in our salvation"? Because whether you ask a Calvinist, Catholic, Baptist, Unitarian Christian, or nondenominational, you are going to get a very different answer. Which one's right? Who gets to decide what the definition of "Christian" is?

    I think the second part of this highlighted sentence is closer to a workable response, FWIW.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    1.)If you wish to debate me
    2.) then you should know that I am not fond of automatically giving people the answers that they want.
    3.)Though you may be getting black-and-white on me, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just looking for clarity.
    4.) I'll answer it with the repeated theme in the New Testament, that by the standard one judges, one shall be judged.
    1.) not trying to debate you, im simply asking you what you meant since you were unclear
    2.) i want no answer, i want you to be clear what you meant because what you wrote doesn't make it clear lol
    3.) good move since i am looking for clarity
    4.) that doesnt really answer anything either but ok, i guess you werent looking to be clear
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    also for that vast minority out there that think this is possible and who try to compare it to the bakery, photographer cases etc

    the huge common sense and obviously difference is, those were criminals that chose to break the law and or violate rights

    the church is not a criminal and isn't breaking any laws or violating any rights

    it doesnt really get any more simply than this.

    the chances of this happening is right up there with waking up tomorrow and sharia law being the law of the land in US
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Rational: No
    Likely: Yes
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