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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Don't even try the "no true Christian" fallacy. If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, you are a Christian, pure and simple.
    And how does one go about determining if someone believes "that Jesus is the Messiah"?

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Don't even try the "no true Christian" fallacy. If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, you are a Christian, pure and simple.
    I think it takes a bit more than that. Even Satan knows that Jesus is the Messiah. That doesn't make him a Christian.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    I think all churches should lose all significance in the eyes of the federal government.

    No more tax exemption. No more anything.


    All major religions are, IMO, for the weak and or the ignorant and/or the desperate and they are the source of far more harm then good.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    1.)If a Christian misses a few minor details such as procedures on handling communion, that's a trivial matter to me.
    2.)If a Christian misses something fundamental such as "love thy neighbor as thyself," it's not. And we have the right to call him out on that.
    1.) I agree
    2.) I personally agree with that too
    3.) you didnt answer though, what were you referring to as false witness, thats the part i didnt understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    And how does one go about determining if someone believes "that Jesus is the Messiah"?
    Oh hell, in this society, you don't even have to ask. Particularly in the Bible belt, one can't go for ten minutes without hearing the latest story of what Jesus/God has allegedly done for them.

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    I think it takes a bit more than that. Even Satan knows that Jesus is the Messiah. That doesn't make him a Christian.
    Alright fine. What is your definition of a Christian?
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) I agree
    2.) I personally agree with that too
    3.) you didnt answer though, what were you referring to as false witness, thats the part i didnt understand?
    Dude I'm just quoting one of the Ten Commandments. And it's "false testimony," not "false witness." Usually it's interpreted as some form of "Thou shalt not lie."
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Oh hell, in this society, you don't even have to ask. Particularly in the Bible belt, one can't go for ten minutes without hearing the latest story of what Jesus/God has allegedly done for them.
    That's not what I asked. How does one determine what another person truly believes, in their heart? Is merely asking enough? Or hearing an alleged testimony? What if someone claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ, yet doesn't conduct themselves in a manner consistent with the teachings of Christ? Are they still a believer? People never lie?

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    1.)Just a few decades ago, the idea that anyone would even consider the idea of “same sex marriage” was rightly seen as absurd. It was clearly understood what marriage whats, just as it was clearly understood what a sick, immoral perversion homosexuality was, and nobody would even have suggested that one had any place in the other.

    2.) Not five years ago, even those who were so sick as to think that there could be any such thing as “same sex marriage”, would certain;y not have argued for forcing anyone who still held to any decent moral values to have anything to do with it.

    3.) Now, we are at the point where we will allow the power of government to force those in private businesses onto this evil, against there rightful moral objections.
    4.) There is really no significant line left to cross, to force churches into this evil as well.
    5.) Unless this sick trend is reversed, we will live to see the force of government used to force churches to perform immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings; within the next few years at most.
    1.) false
    2.) also false
    3.) government hasnt forced anybody to perform anything immoral
    4.) since 1, 2, 3 are false and lies 4 also fails
    5.) see #4

    can you make a post that can ever be backed up with facts or anything even accurate and logical


    lets look at some facts in the US:
    number of businesses forced to participate in gay marriages . . . . ZERO
    number of churches forced to do gay marriages . . . ZERO
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude I'm just quoting one of the Ten Commandments. And it's "false testimony," not "false witness." Usually it's interpreted as some form of "Thou shalt not lie."
    i know what you are doing and i am asking you for examples, thats all and still am?
    I dont understand what you are saying your position is . . .

    are you saying that any religious person that has lied (and lying is forbidden in thier religion) shouldnt be trusted? im not saying you are im simply asking because you havent made it clear what you mean
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
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    Don't even try the "no true Christian" fallacy. If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, you are a Christian, pure and simple.
    I think it takes a bit more than that. Even Satan knows that Jesus is the Messiah. That doesn't make him a Christian.
    Alright [sic] fine. What is your definition of a Christian?
    What do you suppose makes Satan not a Christian? Satan knows who Jesus is, and he knows and fully understands Jesus' importance. By your definition, this would make him a Christian.

    Satan knows what God's will is—probably better than any of us mortals do—and he strives to thwart and undermine it; and to lead as many of God's children as he can to do likewise. This, I say, makes him the most exact opposite of a Christian, and the opposite of an example of what is required of us if we wish to honestly identify as Christians.

    I say that to be a Christian, one must not only know who Jesus is, and to acknowledge his role in our salvation; one must also sincerely try to follow Jesus' teachings and examples, and to act in support of God's will, and to encourage others to do likewise.
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