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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It hasn't been exclusively between a man and a woman.
    Until this generation, yes, it most certainly has.

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    As for the abortion thing, you are confusing a state mandate with Obamacare. I haven't found anything saying otherwise except for coverage of things like contraceptives and Plan B, which is not an abortion drug.
    Plan B is an aborticacient. I’ll let you figure it out by yourself.

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    Plus there are exemptions for churches.
    Yea, if you’re Amish or Mennonite.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, then, would you suggest that businesses be allowed to exclude customers on the basis of race, religion, or gender?
    You know of a religion that requires excluding Whites as costumers?
    But in principal? I think it would be stupid. But I don't think I would want the government getting involved in matters of religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The flip side to this is letting any declared religious belief be a loophole to public accommodation laws. If I say my sincere religious belief precludes me from allowing Jews to board my airplane, is my air transport operation then allowed to reject any Jewish passenger?
    Well, I’d say you were running an Islamic airline and who in their right-mind would want to fly on one of those?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How about race? Can I put up a "NO BLACKS" sign on my restaurant door if it's a "sincere" religious belief?
    I’m very Libertarian about such things and if you don’t want to serve blacks…don’t. I don’t think you’ll be in business for very long, but sure, refuse to serve blacks or whites or Asians or Indians or whatever you like. I’ll be happy to patronize your competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    If that's your opinion, just say so. "I think businesses should be able to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, or sexuality."
    See above.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    It's not likely, and though on occasion it grates on me that churches so often enjoy what seems at times special legal privileges in multiple cases, pragmatically it serves a useful purpose. Whether I like it or not, the majority of the country is Christian, and by allowing them their own special rights it gives secularists and them the leeway to find room for compromise. As a result, we get a [largely] secular political system, and churches can avoid taxes, fire women for being pregnant, refuse to marry homosexual couples, and pedophile priests can be carted from church to church instead of instantly being thrown in prison like everyone else.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    I am personally not aware of any church denying to marry interracial, black, previously divorced couples, etc. Nor am I aware of any Scriptures that prohibit the marrying of interracial, black, previously divorced couples, etc. However, the Bible does prohibits homosexual behavior (and that would include--by default--homosexual marriage).

    And it is primarily the Catholic Church that has been fighting with Obama with regard to abortion and Obamacare but that is another debate.
    Church refuses to marry black couple in Mississippi - CNN.com Mississippi church refuses black couple.

    Interracial Couple Spurned - ABC News Ohio church refuses interracial couple

    Here's one that refused a wedding because the preached didn't like the brides dress.
    Pastor Refuses to Perform Ceremony because of Bride's 'Sexy Dress' - AmericaPreachers.com


    I see you have nothing on a CHURCH being forced to pay for abortions.

    For starters, all churches—or any other type of house of worship— are expressly exempted from the requirement that they offer health insurance to their employees that includes any provision for contraception. The issue under discussion involves whether other entities owned and operated by a church should be obligated to do so under the law.
    Drugs, such as RU486 that cause a woman to abort a pregnancy, are not included in the law or regulations. Nothing would require a health insurance company to include this in their policy offerings and, certainly, nothing would require anyone to take such a pill.
    The Truth About Contraception, Obamacare And The Church - Forbes
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You don't see any reason, but people did. 50 years ago, there were a ton of people making religious arguments against same-sex marriage, and there were plenty of churches that would refuse to perform the ceremony.
    Sorry.

    Let me re-phrase that…

    “I am personally not aware of any church denying to marry interracial, black, previously divorced couples, etc…these days.”

    Better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They had their own justification in scriptures, just like you do. Me, I've never seen evidence that Jesus Christ ever said one word condemning homosexuality.
    You’ve never seen any evidence that Christ endorsed homosexuality either. In fact, the only time you are aware that Christ ever spoke about marriage was in Matthew 19.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Sorry.

    Let me re-phrase that…

    “I am personally not aware of any church denying to marry interracial, black, previously divorced couples, etc…these days.”

    Better?



    You’ve never seen any evidence that Christ endorsed homosexuality either. In fact, the only time you are aware that Christ ever spoke about marriage was in Matthew 19.
    So you have no proof that Jesus endorsed interracial marriage either, but they are ok in your mind. Or does no mention of something by Jesus only matter if it is those icky gays?
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Until this generation, yes, it most certainly has.



    Plan B is an aborticacient. I’ll let you figure it out by yourself.



    Yea, if you’re Amish or Mennonite.
    Every bit of this is wrong. Several cultures in history allowed same sex marriages.

    Plan b is mainly to prevent pregnancy. And there are religious exemptions for churches, just not religious affiliations.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then you are ill informed or in denial. Refusals to perform interracial marriages pop up in the news every couple of years. There was one within the last two years where a black couple was denied a marriage in the church.
    Sorry. I meant I was unaware of anyone denying to perform interracial, black, race-related marriage these days. Of course this was a problem in the past that went all the way to the Supreme Court in Loving vs. Virginia.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Catholic Church will only perform a marriage for a divorced catholic if they had the first marriage officially annulled by the Catholic Church.
    Which is to say that the Catholic Church will marry previously divorced people.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Many religions refuse to wed interfaith couples.
    Possibly. I know that Bible teaches against it (2 Corinthians 6:14). But that is something quite different from “refusing” to marry people of different faiths and I’ve never heard of anyone refusing to do it. Regardless, interfaith is hardly as controversial as homosexual marriage.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Sorry. I meant I was unaware of anyone denying to perform interracial, black, race-related marriage these days. Of course this was a problem in the past that went all the way to the Supreme Court in Loving vs. Virginia.



    Which is to say that the Catholic Church will marry previously divorced people.



    Possibly. I know that Bible teaches against it (2 Corinthians 6:14). But that is something quite different from “refusing” to marry people of different faiths and I’ve never heard of anyone refusing to do it. Regardless, interfaith is hardly as controversial as homosexual marriage.
    The Armenian church refuses inter faith weddings. Many rabbis refuse to do interfaith weddings too.

    The point is that churches are not forced to have a wedding for any one they choose. They can discriminate based on anything they so choose.
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