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    Quote Originally Posted by The Baron View Post
    Regardless, changing marriage into something it has never been is an extremist position.



    Except we’re not talking about “interracial” marriages. We’re talking about homosexual marriages. And while you insist that churches will not be forced to marry homosexuals--above you state that “[i]f someone doesn't want to bake a wedding cake or photograph an…interfaith wedding or the wedding of someone of a certain faith, they too are sued and ‘run out of business’ because it is illegal discrimination…”. Sorry, don’t know how to break it to you but someone who thinks it’s okay to marry someone of the same-sex has a very different faith (“interfaith”) from the one described in the Christian Bible and practiced by a majority of Christian Churches.



    Trying to argue a strawman, are we?

    Like it or not, forcing people to involve their businesses in unwanted homosexual marriages in not a far cry from forcing churches to marry homosexuals. In my mind this is simply a foregone conclusion. In my opinion, churches will be forced to marry homosexuals or be forced to give up their tax exempt status.
    The flip side to this is letting any declared religious belief be a loophole to public accommodation laws. If I say my sincere religious belief precludes me from allowing Jews to board my airplane, is my air transport operation then allowed to reject any Jewish passenger?

    How about race? Can I put up a "NO BLACKS" sign on my restaurant door if it's a "sincere" religious belief?

    If that's your opinion, just say so. "I think businesses should be able to discriminate on the basis of race, gender, religion, or sexuality."
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its irrational because theres no steps in law that can be taken to do so unless the constitution is amended.
    Legitimately, there are no legal steps that can be taken to force any person with any moral standards to have anything whatsoever to do with sick, immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings in which they want no part, without amending the Constitution; but that has not stopped it from happening. The line that you keep insisting will never be crossed, has already been crossed, and was crossed well before you and I ever started arguing about whether it would or should be crossed.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Since marriage has included same sex couples in the past.
    No, it has not. By definition, marriage is only between a man and a woman. To apply the term to a pairing between a man and a man, or between a woman and a woman, will always be a lie.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Legitimately, there are no legal steps that can be taken to force any person with any moral standards to have anything whatsoever to do with sick, immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings in which they want no part, without amending the Constitution; but that has not stopped it from happening. The line that you keep insisting will never be crossed, has already been crossed.
    sorry bob im not looking for your unsupportable opinion im looking for FACTS which you never have and never present.
    You imaginary line based on your felling, subjective morals and opinions doesnt matter to the constitution, laws, and rights and those 3 things all prove your claims to be wrong.
    Facts win again Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The flip side to this is letting any declared religious belief be a loophole to public accommodation laws. If I say my sincere religious belief precludes me from allowing Jews to board my airplane, is my air transport operation then allowed to reject any Jewish passenger?
    The error is in putting government above the people, in holding that it is government that has the authority to impose rules that violate the people's freedom, and then putting the burden on the people to prove that they should be allowed to exercise certain freedoms. It should be the other way around. The people's freedom should come first, and the burden should be on government to prove that it has a legitimate and necessary reason to intrude thereon.
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it has not. By definition, marriage is only between a man and a woman. To apply the term to a pairing between a man and a man, or between a woman and a woman, will always be a lie.
    sorry Bob once again your OPINION is meanignless

    FACT: this couple below was legally married and in a marriage
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    no amount of foot stomping and lying will ever change this fact
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ra...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The error is in putting government above the people, in holding that it is government that has the authority to impose rules that violate the people's freedom, and then putting the burden on the people to prove that they should be allowed to exercise certain freedoms. It should be the other way around. The people's freedom should come first, and the burden should be on government to prove that it has a legitimate and necessary reason to intrude thereon.
    the freedom of the people is coming first thats why your views are losing lol
    what you actually want is your views to trump others freedoms and you are in the wrong country for that
    the actual error is that you think your subjective opinion and wants trump others, it doesnt, the constitution, rights and laws are greater than your feelings
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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    No, it has not. By definition, marriage is only between a man and a woman. To apply the term to a pairing between a man and a man, or between a woman and a woman, will always be a lie.
    It has included same sex couples. And you don't get exclusive say in defining marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sure it does and good morning. I do not push my religion on anyone and very rarely talk about it. I do wish there was a decent way to stop all them 7th Day folks from coming by the house every once in a long while. I would be very happy to just let things be. What is, is. Trying to change or take down crosses if not letting things be or respecting others. It is taking actions against someone else, by doing so it is showing their lack of respect.

    I am very easy, just let things be. What is there is there. Do not try to force your beliefs or non-beliefs upon others.
    Which is great, that doesn't mean you're typical, especially when it comes to evangelical or fundamentalist religious beliefs. They do want to push their beliefs on others, not only do they want to do it, they think it's their right to do it and nobody can stop them.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I was referring to the persons. CompanyCompanydo not have religious beliefs. People do. If you force a business, you force a person.
    So, then, would you suggest that businesses be allowed to exclude customers on the basis of race, religion, or gender?
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